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Re:Refugees Detained at U.S. Airports, Prompting Legal Chall... by zo1 on Saturday January 28, 2017 @10:38AM (#13506734)
This is the same line of reasoning that prevents valid use of profiling. Until you can clearly identify and prove the "issue" that you mention then we have to make do with half-solutions that may be the wrong answer in some instances. As an engineer/problem-solver I find this perfectly logical and reasonable. You can't just throw your arms up and say "sorry" when it could very well mean people dying and the dying of people is exactly what you're trying to prevent. If this blanket policy saves even one life I would find it justified.

Either way... It doesn't sound like the two individuals in the article are actual persecuted refugees. The article doesn't elaborate on that. We're just expected to assume that. But we're told what amazing humans they are and how much they helped the US. That sounds more like a dishing out of green card favors in return for services.

Re:Refugees Detained at U.S. Airports, Prompting Legal Chall... by tetrep on Saturday January 28, 2017 @11:13AM (#13507021)
> If this blanket policy saves even one life I would find it justified.

Seems like you'd be in favor of banning peanuts and their related products, as well as guns, considering how many accidental deaths occur from both each year. And of course, who could forget the dreaded and somehow still legal dihydrogen monoxoide...

> It doesn't sound like the two individuals in the article are actual persecuted refugees. The article doesn't elaborate on that. We're just expected to assume that. But we're told what amazing humans they are and how much they helped the US. That sounds more like a dishing out of green card favors in return for services.

Generally speaking, it's implicit that their lives are at risk because they helped the United States, a country that tends not to get much love in the Middle East.

Re:Refugees Detained at U.S. Airports, Prompting Legal Chall... by JoeAltmaier on Saturday January 28, 2017 @11:18AM (#13507068)
Its always "anything to save a life!" when its nobody you know. But take away your liberties in the interest of lifesaving, and its a different story. That's called hypocrisy. And in this case its very harmful.
Re:Refugees Detained at U.S. Airports, Prompting Legal Chall... by zo1 on Sunday January 29, 2017 @03:00AM (#13512916)
I never said I would oppose it if it affected me or someone I know. Even though from that position I might think the response is overdoing it, I still think that they could have logical justification for it.
Re:Refugees Detained at U.S. Airports, Prompting Legal Chall... by wheelerwj on Saturday January 28, 2017 @11:20AM (#13507083)
> It doesn't sound like the two individuals in the article are actual persecuted refugees. The article doesn't elaborate on that.

Yes it does...

*The filing said he [Darweesh] had been directly targeted twice while working for the United States Military."

Re:Refugees Detained at U.S. Airports, Prompting Legal Chall... by zo1 on Sunday January 29, 2017 @03:02AM (#13512922)
So helping a defacto invading army and being targeted by the locals is now persecution? Scratch that, I guess I have a more narrow definition of what constitutes a valid refugee.

But yeah my bad I did miss that part of the article.

Re:Refugees Detained at U.S. Airports, Prompting Legal Chall... by pjc50 on Saturday January 28, 2017 @11:27AM (#13507148)
> If this blanket policy saves even one life I would find it justified.

It's quite likely to cost lives, since it also applies to refugees and asylum seekers. I wouldn't be surprised to find that it results in at least one suicide over the next few months.

Re:Refugees Detained at U.S. Airports, Prompting Legal Chall... by zo1 on Sunday January 29, 2017 @03:05AM (#13512936)
Sure definitely, but for the most part a government is tasked with protecting its own citizens. Not the entire world population. If that weren't the case then I'm sorry but no brownie points can be given as there are countless scores of individuals dying all over the world right now and we're not doing absolutely everything we can in our power to stop it.