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Re:Trump order strips privacy rights from non-U.S. citizens by patrickk on Friday January 27, 2017 @06:03AM (#13499039)
> I still support aggressive competition from the EU simply because the EU needs to stand on its own legs but don't pretend that it's for privacy of its citizens.

I was more thinking along the lines of immunity from National Security Letters[1], which could be marketed to companies or individuals who want an extra layer of privacy guarantee.

For example, here is a quote from Dropbox's 2016 Transparency report[2]:

"We believe that those who use online services have a right to know if the government requests their data, and that service providers have a right to notify them of these requests. Often, though, requests for user data are accompanied by court orders preventing Dropbox from providing notice."

An EU-based Dropbox clone could market this as a unique selling point, that the above doesn't apply. Swiss banking for your online storage, if you will.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_security_letter

[2] https://www.dropbox.com/transparency

Re:Trump order strips privacy rights from non-U.S. citizens by hubert123 on Friday January 27, 2017 @06:04AM (#13499047)
Right but my point is that this can change very easily in the EU. The EU has even fewer problems with violating privacy than the US, that's what I was trying to say. They always talk big about democracy and freedom of speech but we all know that it isn't quite like that in practice. (see: hate speech)
Re:Trump order strips privacy rights from non-U.S. citizens by CaptainZapp on Friday January 27, 2017 @10:15AM (#13500217)

  They always talk big about democracy and freedom of speech but we all know that it isn't quite like that in practice. (see: hate speech) 
Then again I can legally drink a beer in any public park in most EU countries.

Personally I prefer this freedom than being able to legally spout racist, inciting garbage or to deny the holocoust.

Re:Trump order strips privacy rights from non-U.S. citizens by AnimalMuppet on Friday January 27, 2017 @03:04PM (#13502187)
How do you feel about having some easily-offended individual claim what you said is racist, and having it forcibly removed from the net?

Or having some malicious person selectively edit what you said? ("Captain Zapp said, 'Personally I prefer... to deny the holocaust'. Censor him!")

Don't assume that restrictions on free speech will always be used in good faith against the targets they "should" be used against. These things have a way of expanding their reach. They can reach you sooner than you think.

Re:Trump order strips privacy rights from non-U.S. citizens by jononor on Friday January 27, 2017 @06:36AM (#13499144)
Owncloud is pretty much that, and additionally open source?

Disclaimer: Not affiliated, though sometimes hang around in same circles as some that work there.

Re:Trump order strips privacy rights from non-U.S. citizens by patrickk on Friday January 27, 2017 @07:13AM (#13499289)
Yes, but is Owncloud as easy to use as Dropbox? Is is heavily marketed at non-technical users like Dropbox is? Most non-tech users won't go to the hassle of researching this stuff, they barely know about mass surveillance and don't know anything about self-hosting.

I actually did some research on Owncloud hosting, turns out there's a whole bunch of providers that offer free consumer tier hosting[1], I haven't heard of any of them[1].

[1] https://owncloud.org/providers/

Re:Trump order strips privacy rights from non-U.S. citizens by smarinov on Friday January 27, 2017 @08:03AM (#13499502)
Nextcloud*

AFAIK most core developers of owncloud left that boat a while ago to continue working on the software in a more sensible way.