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Re:Vegetarian diets are not going to save the planet by Arnt on Thursday January 26, 2017 @08:14AM (#13491022)
No quibbles with most of it. But meat eating is sustainable in a limited way: Some land is well suited as pasture but not usable for much else.

Ie. a 200g steak per day isn't sustainable, but pasta sauces with a few slivers of pancetta are.

Re:Vegetarian diets are not going to save the planet by latch on Thursday January 26, 2017 @08:39AM (#13491166)
I'm not sure I buy this oft-repeated non-arable land claim. First, aren't GMOs and other technological advances redefining "non-arable". Secondly, doesn't land used for pasture generate more methane and waste and take more energy and water, than if it was just left unused?
Re:Vegetarian diets are not going to save the planet by Arnt on Thursday January 26, 2017 @08:57AM (#13491322)
https://www.nve.no/media/3576/209_1-navitelva-foto-gunnar-kr...

You can have sheep spend the summer there. GMO wheat fields, not.

Methane and waste, well, maybe. It's not clear to me that there can be enough sheep there that the waste is a problem. I've never even tried to quantify the methane.

Energy and water aren't issues. The energy to gather the sheep in the autumn is a rounding error, and how would you water such an area anyway?

Re:Vegetarian diets are not going to save the planet by cies on Thursday January 26, 2017 @10:57AM (#13492369)
Transport and storage of meat is more expensive. Besides that, I think you are right (says a vegan) :)
Re:Vegetarian diets are not going to save the planet by dTal on Thursday January 26, 2017 @09:30AM (#13491605)
Exhibit A: Iceland https://prestoninstitute.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/p101014...

You can't grow crops on that. No one's watering it. The only energy use is rounding all the sheep back up.

As for methane... well it's not the land that makes that, but the sheep. You're going to have that problem as long as you're rearing ruminants to eat. There's a lot of research being done on that - it's possible we'll be able to engineer low-methane sheep...

Re:Vegetarian diets are not going to save the planet by bryanlarsen on Thursday January 26, 2017 @08:49AM (#13491251)
Left unused it would be populated by other grass eaters like Bison which have very similar environmental impacts.
Re:Vegetarian diets are not going to save the planet by latch on Thursday January 26, 2017 @08:59AM (#13491334)
Ok, I'll admit that's a good answer.

Just pushing things further, since I appreciate your insight, in terms of nature (as opposed to feeding humans), wouldn't a more natural ecosystem be preferred? Might it better help protect against extinctions and such?

Re:Vegetarian diets are not going to save the planet by cmrdporcupine on Thursday January 26, 2017 @10:30AM (#13492091)
More so than that, animals contribute in a positive way to vegetable production.

Chickens are great weeders. Sheep and goats graze down grassy areas (or woody if goats) including areas that are in rotation but currently fallow, so it doesn't need to be mowed down with fossil fuel machines. Pigs are great at rooting up uncultivated areas. And are wonderful waste disposal units. All livestock make great fertilizer. In the case of pigs and chickens at least they make great fertilizer out of stuff we consider garbage.

But yes, meat consumption likely must be curtailed significantly.