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Re:Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. (2007) by ivanhoe on Thursday January 26, 2017 @04:43AM (#13490003)
> if you can abide by this rule you will loose the weight

This is the key point and it makes all the difference. You need to be able to stay on the diet for a sufficiently long time, and that's why different approaches are needed fro different people. If you eat carbs you need to measure carefully every meal and calculate the calories, which to many people very quickly gets extremely annoying. On low carb diets you don't have to. Also there are mood changes depending on the taste of the food that you eat. If you like eating meat and veggies, low-carb diets taste great, you enjoy every meal. It makes it much easier to abide the rules. Also general mental state is important, high stress and depression will sabotage your efforts.

Diets are not just about nutrition, that's one of the biggest misconceptions. Psychology and physical activities play equally, if not more important role in dieting.

Re:Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. (2007) by Illotus on Thursday January 26, 2017 @06:23AM (#13490477)
> Diets are not just about nutrition, that's one of the biggest misconceptions. Psychology and physical activities play equally, if not more important role in dieting.

This. With the addition that psychology is hugely affected human bodys tendency to defend agains weight loss. One good recent paper on the subject how much weight loss increased hunger: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/oby.21653/abstrac...

Re:Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. (2007) by sametmax on Thursday January 26, 2017 @05:11AM (#13490132)
This is dangerous advice though.

Loose weight just by counting calories will not take in consideration toxicity (see my other comment in this thread). Many people burn fat this way, which release toxins they can't process. Hence their body is thin but saturated with poison. From here 2 things happens:

- the person gains weight again to protect him/herself. Happens very often.

- the person manage to not gain weight at this expense of his/her health, sometime with terrible consequences you only see months or years later.

One of my friends is currently in the later category. She lost a lot of weight and his very hot. But her skin is degrading at an alarming pace. It's a very bad symptom when your are 30.

All in all, it's important when you loose weight to:

- do it progressively so your body can process the toxins at the same rate they are released.

- help the body to eliminated say toxins by alternating rest and exercise, drinking and if needed, consuming.

- provide the body with a sane diet to not only avoid adding more toxins to the current ones, but also bring minerals than can be used to bring the PH up and vitamins to keep organs running smoothly.

Basically, "sleep well, eat well and exercise". Thank you grand ma :)

Re:Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. (2007) by CPLX on Thursday January 26, 2017 @05:31AM (#13490223)
This post is unscientific and literally nonsense. There's no such thing as a "toxin" and reducing your adipose fat tissue does not poison your body.

It's precisely this sort of magical thinking that the OP is trying to counter.

Re:Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. (2007) by sametmax on Thursday January 26, 2017 @06:34AM (#13490530)
I'm not a native english speaker, I don't know the proper world for this.

Some molecules are things that have nothing to do in the body (Maillard reaction output, antibiotic in the meat, pesticide in fruits, etc). Some are just regular things we can process but in a greater concentration that is healthy. Some are just natural waste of our regular body processes, but in a greater quantity than we can manage in our current health.

Basically nothing is a poison, it's a matter of quantity you absorb and can process. I just labeled it "toxin" because I don't have the vocabulary for it.

There is no magic thinking about it.

E.G: the blood PH must be at 7.40 PH. The body has mechanisms to ensure it stays that way. If the body is saturated with things bringing the PH down, it will try to get rid of it (through poop, urine and the like). I called them toxin, it was a bad choice. Fair enough. But the fact remains, if your blood PH goes down to 7.36, you are good for the hospital, and your body will try to avoid it. If it can't get rid of the responsible molecules, it will find a way to compensate. One way is to throw minerals at it since they are mostly basic. Another one is to dilute them by holding water. A last one is to wrap the molecule into fat, store it, so it can be processed later.

Again, no magic thinking. My wording may not be perfect, but I don't see anything unreasonable in what I'm saying.

However, I can't help but notice than 3 peoples opposed my explanation by blatantly rejecting it without arguments while I'm taking the time to respectfully demonstrate it. And give references to studies and books in another comment.

Please don't be aggressive. If you know I'm wrong, just make your point with arguments.

Re:Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. (2007) by tzs on Thursday January 26, 2017 @06:01AM (#13490379)
You should probably rephrase. I think I get what you are trying to say, but the way you said it is way off.

There most definitely are such things as "toxins". There are neurotoxins produced by black widows, most scorpions, box jellyfish, many algae and cyanobacteria, among others. There are necrotoxins produced by the brown recluse, rattlesnakes, puff adders for example.

Heck, if there were no such thing as toxins, the "Journal of Venomous Animals and Toxins including Tropical Diseases" would have long ago dropped "and Toxins" from its name to save costs on ink :-). The Toxin and Toxin-Target database [1] would also have about 3700 less entries if toxins did not exist.

[1] http://www.t3db.ca

Re:Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. (2007) by CPLX on Thursday January 26, 2017 @08:46AM (#13491221)
Not really. If I was in an argument with a UFO theorist where I said the US government wasn't actually hiding live aliens, and someone came along and pointed out that we have illegal aliens in custody, I would point out that this is true and irrelevant.

The word toxin is widely used in "wellness" circles, but the concept so described does not exist. The fact that there is a correct, jargon-specific, scientific usage of the same term notwithstanding.

Re:Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. (2007) by tptacek on Thursday January 26, 2017 @09:11AM (#13491434)
Wellness people also have weird beliefs about vitamins, and vitamins are in fact complicated, but that doesn't mean I make little air quotes every time I refer to vitamins.
Re:Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. (2007) by CPLX on Thursday January 26, 2017 @10:48AM (#13492283)
Does this also apply to startup vitamins?

[0] https://www.startupvitamins.com

Re:Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. (2007) by sametmax on Thursday January 26, 2017 @06:35AM (#13490532)
Fair enough, my wording was inappropriate.
Re:Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. (2007) by xinyhn on Thursday January 26, 2017 @12:08PM (#13493097)
No intention of arguing as I don't believe this is a good reason for not losing weight; I believe that for other reasons. However, just thought you would be interested in this. Check out some of the recent studies on Persistent Organic Pollutants.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26469381

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27281542