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Re:EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff by daenz on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @07:23PM (#13487560)
When you say he denies climate change, are you referring to climate change itself, or man made climate change? I know man made climate change deniers who fully believe in climate change. But the term "climate change denier" gets thrown around so loosely (sometimes I wonder if that's intentional), that I don't know what people are actually referring to.
Re:EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff by wklauss on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @07:30PM (#13487628)
Man made climate change, AKA, the extreme levels of change in temperature, atmospheric composition and acidity levels in the oceans we are experiencing right now.

I think splitting hairs over the term is unnecessary. I'm sure there are people who believe earth's climate has always been the same but they are probably very few. The most popular position among climate change deniers, as far as I know, is that this changes are part of the natural cycle and humans have little or no impact.

Re:EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff by masonic on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @10:07PM (#13488381)
"Man made climate change, AKA, the extreme levels of change in temperature, atmospheric composition and acidity levels in the oceans we are experiencing right now."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carboniferous

Re:EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff by Oletros on Thursday January 26, 2017 @12:24AM (#13488987)
I didn't knew that the change was in les than 200 hundred years, do you have any link to papers showing such unprecedented quick change?
Re:EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff by daenz on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @07:38PM (#13487696)
Didn't he admit in an interview that this was a joke? Edit>> Found the source http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-china-created-cl...
Re:EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff by epistasis on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @08:26PM (#13487956)
>Trump has for years used words like "hoax," "canard," "mythical," "con job," "nonexistent," and "bulls---" to reject mainstream climate science:

[long string of anti-science tweets]

I'm not sure what your point is exactly? That it was a "joke" but he also believed it? Because he says in that "admission":

>And I often joke that this is done for the benefit of China — obviously I joke — but this done for the benefit of China.

So is he saying its for the benefit of China or not? At best it seems that he's trying to say it but weasel out of any accountability for saying it.

Re:EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff by yongjik on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @09:05PM (#13488124)
"Climate change denial" is not a coherent platform. There may be some who hold logically consistent views (whether they are real or not), but they are not necessarily consistent with each other, and in any case the majority of people don't care.

As long as one can say that mankind should not take any action to avert climate change, most "climate deniers" are happy, and whether the myriad of supporting arguments contradict each other is not their concern.

For example, what's Trump's opinion on whether the Earth is warming or not? Does he even care?

Re:EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff by erklik on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @07:25PM (#13487587)
I think most, when referring to "climate change denier" mean to say "anthropogenic climate change denier". Most people who are "climate change denier"s in the above sense do actually believe in climate change in general just not the fact that we have influenced it.
Re:EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff by scrollaway on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @07:35PM (#13487661)
You'd be surprised the amount of people who very seriously say "Global warming isn't real! There's snow outside!".

This is why there's been a push towards the "climate change" wording in the first place.

Re:EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff by gozur88 on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @09:12PM (#13488159)
>You'd be surprised the amount of people who very seriously say "Global warming isn't real! There's snow outside!".

That's because, in a mistaken campaign to get people motivated, AGW activists say "See how hot it is today? Global warming is the reason!" Remember how the northern ice cap was supposed to be gone by 2013? Polar bears extinct?

If you don't want people on the other side to make arguments based on today's weather, you have to call out the people doing it on your side.

Re:EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff by bdamm on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @07:46PM (#13487759)
There's also the folks who believe we are causing it, but don't think we should bother to prevent that.
Re:EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff by Rusky on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @07:26PM (#13487593)
The description here applies to both.