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Re:Should gifted students go to a separate school? by TeMPOraL on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @01:00PM (#13483963)
RE 1., your analogy to food is both misapplied and unhelpful. The choice here is between "better education" and "standard education", not between "better education" and "no education at all". You can't test the logic of that argument by applying it to the food case and expect a sensible result.

Unless you can disprove GP's three arguments, we're talking about a trade-off. Trade-offs should not solved by rhetorics and ideology but by a careful cost-benefit analysis.

Re:Should gifted students go to a separate school? by jlebar on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @01:14PM (#13484114)
I think you're applying a very ungenerous reading to the parent.

The parent's argument is exactly the same if we change "giving people food" to "giving people who have food that isn't suitable for them food that's more suitable for them".

Maybe you think that the parent's argument is flawed because you think that all people have the same basic educational needs. That's what TFA is arguing is not true, but maybe it's wrong; you could make that case. But quibbling over the exact formulation of an analogy is not the kind of concrete thinking that you're asking for.

Re:Should gifted students go to a separate school? by never4ever on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @01:25PM (#13484247)
This point needs to get more attention, anyone who is boiling this down to a simple black/white situation is oversimplifying the issue.

Determining the value in integrating "gifted" kids with "non-gifted" kids is in effect the same argument that is held with regard to determining the affect that charter schools have on our school system, simply change the modifier from gifted/non-gifted to interested/uninterested in school and we are having the same debate.

There are pros and cons to both models and people have to admit to both sides of it, otherwise they are being disingenuous with their analysis.

Re:Should gifted students go to a separate school? by justin_vanw on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @03:18PM (#13485590)
I never said 'better' vs 'none'. I said should you give some resource to someone who could benefit from it when there are other people who also would benefit that you will fail to identify.

Presumably even in my analogy the people not given food had some food, since they were merely weak and not starved to death.

But that ignores my argument anyway! My point is that you should do what you can do, even if it's imperfect. The food analogy was to show that the argument 'don't help some people because it's unfair to the people you don't help' is extremely stupid.

Re:Should gifted students go to a separate school? by r00fus on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @03:59PM (#13486029)
More light, less heat. Where're your facts or evidence?
Re:Should gifted students go to a separate school? by justin_vanw on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @04:22PM (#13486259)
Facts? The argument against me was 'you shouldn't help people because you might not help some people that you could also help'.

That's a moral argument, and my reply was a moral argument.