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Re:Controlling your own wealth as a basic human right by clarkmoody on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @10:44AM (#13482271)
So if 100% of my income is taxed away from me, then I cannot enjoy the produce of my labor. In effect I am working completely for someone else, without my consent. Thus, I am a slave. Slavery violates the basic human right of liberty.

Thus, controlling your own wealth (right to property) is a basic human right.

Dignity is not a human right, since it is subjective.

Re:Controlling your own wealth as a basic human right by madgar on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @10:51AM (#13482349)
You seem to be confusing work without net pay with slavery.

Sharecropping was abhorrent but was distinct from slavery.

Slaves may be killed legally by their owner.

Re:Controlling your own wealth as a basic human right by clarkmoody on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @02:53PM (#13485342)
I see the distinction, thanks.
Re:Controlling your own wealth as a basic human right by ajamesm on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @10:47AM (#13482295)
Subjectivity, huh? Who can truly say what is "due" in "due process"? Dispense with it!
Re:Controlling your own wealth as a basic human right by clarkmoody on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @10:51AM (#13482350)
I never said anything about due process.
Re:Controlling your own wealth as a basic human right by akgerber on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @10:52AM (#13482362)
By that argument, jury duty is slavery.
Re:Controlling your own wealth as a basic human right by clarkmoody on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @10:54AM (#13482385)
Indeed. So is conscription.
Re:Controlling your own wealth as a basic human right by turc1656 on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @03:56PM (#13485990)
It's not that obvious. At first I was inclined to agree with you but after some further thought I'm thinking the answer is actually that they are both not - and it's purely due to the constitution. In the case of jury duty, we have a constitutional right to a fair and speedy trial constructed from impartial jurors. Based on both statutory and common law that predates the formation of the US, this has always meant a selection of peers that are compelled to serve their nation. Because it is defined within the constitution, it rests alongside the 13th amendment. To end compelled juries, the 13th amendment would have had to explicitly state the lack of exception for the jury trial, thereby effectively nullifying it without repealing it. That, or the 6th amendment would have to be repealed altogether and replaced with something else to ensure a manner of securing a fair jury trial.

As for conscription, it's a similar situation. The constitution allows the government to "raise and support Armies" under article I section 8. This has been interpreted to mean the usage of the resources of the nation to build an army as approved by Congress. It can be money (taxes), land (eminent domain), or people (conscription). Again, because of historical precedent set in statutory and common law, as well as being included in the constitution, it has not been deemed to violate the 13th amendment and instead exists as another exemption.

At least, that's my understanding.

Re:Controlling your own wealth as a basic human right by dragonwriter on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @04:01PM (#13486057)
> As for conscription, it's a similar situation. The constitution allows the government to "raise and support Armies" under article I section 8. This has been interpreted to mean the usage of the resources of the nation to build an army as approved by Congress. It can be money (taxes), land (eminent domain), or people (conscription).

Conscription stems from the understanding of the militia as being universal and the express power of Congress to "To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions", not from the power of Congress to "raise and support Armies".

Re:Controlling your own wealth as a basic human right by akgerber on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @09:21PM (#13488198)
A lot more folks are OK with jury duty than conscription, because it imposes a lot less on one's life, and the argument for its necessity to a just society is more convincing to many.