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Re:Scientists must fight for the facts by lutusp on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @05:46AM (#13480328)
Has anyone else noticed the disturbing parallel between Trump's "Alternative facts" and the famous Nixon-era press office claim that "Previous statements are inoperative"?
Re:Scientists must fight for the facts by gravelc on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @05:49AM (#13480342)
We had 'core' promises and 'non-core' promises here in Australia. How politicians use language is quite instructive.
Re:Scientists must fight for the facts by finid on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @06:04AM (#13480406)
Sounds like Donald Rumsfeld's known knowns and known unknowns
Re:Scientists must fight for the facts by jeremysmyth on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @06:57AM (#13480677)
It's nothing at all like that. Rumsfeld (much as it pains me to support anything he said) was categorizing knowledge in a way that's actually quite useful.

Example: In education it's important for students to learn a wide range of things about a subject, even things they didn't know that they needed. This is why self-taught students often have large but important holes in their knowledge; they simply didn't know what they had to study, so they didn't look for it.

If you know that you don't know something, that's a "known unknown", and you can plan to research it. If you don't know that you don't know something, then that's an unknown unknown, and that's a much harder problem to fix without external help or accidental discovery.

Re:Scientists must fight for the facts by masklinn on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @06:10AM (#13480438)
Sounds rather more like Karl Rove's "reality-based communities" — which was not praise:

> The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

Re:Scientists must fight for the facts by x0054 on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @06:16AM (#13480479)
Without defending the misleading way this was used, there are such things as 1. Known knowns, 2. known unknowns, and 2. unknown unknowns. AKA stuff you know, stuff you know that you don't know, and stuff that you do not know that you don't know.
Re:Scientists must fight for the facts by coldtea on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @06:29AM (#13480546)
It's basic epistemology.
Re:Scientists must fight for the facts by hnhg on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @06:12AM (#13480450)
That wasn't quite the gaffe that a lot of people made it out to be though: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7121136.stm
Re:Scientists must fight for the facts by allthatglitters on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @06:39AM (#13480581)
As "alternative facts" go, these pale in comparison to "a demonstration caused by an internet video"...