Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit
by refurb on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @10:25PM
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I may not agree with your assessment, but you put some thought into it and avoided hyperbole, which is rare on HN.
I disagree with one big point:it's not ridiculous that the Republicans never came up with an alternative ACA plan during Obama's presidency
That's what Obama said, again and again (goes to your comment about the "language of truth"), but the Republicans did submit 4 bills into Congress as ACA alternatives.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/yes-obama-republicans-have...
Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit
by tunesmith on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @12:15AM
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Well you got me on the surface details there. But I think the sense of the point is still correct, in that the Republicans did not advance a plan that they actually wanted to pass. They've got the House, the Senate, and the Presidency now, so they could advance any one of those four plans right now if they wanted. I'll update my views if the plan they settle on is anywhere close to one of those four.
Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit
by jmaygarden on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @12:02AM
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It's seems to me that you've gutted the entire argument of the GP. The ACA was the only piece of evidence presented. Everything else is unsubstantiated personal opinion.
I also take issue with the lack of scope and over-generalization. Did Abraham Lincoln (R) use the language of power? Did George Wallace (D) use the language of truth? Is Donald Trump a typical Republican? Both parties have and are evolving over time.
As for your second point, I think much of this has to do with how the language of power is different than the language of truth. The Republicans in the USA have historically bought more into the language of power than the Democrats have. By that I mean, given the choice between clearly and honestly explaining your position, and instead communicating something different that you believe will better advance your agenda, the Republicans have generally seemed to be more in the second category than the Democrats.
This shouldn't be a politically controversial point. The latter style language is more common in business, negotiations, diplomacy, etc. Democrats can do it too, but it's less of a campaign style for them.
It's also not a secret, which is why it feels easy for Republican supporters to defend. To them, it's not ridiculous that the Republicans never came up with an alternative ACA plan during Obama's presidency. There was a very clear calculation that "opposition only" would be more effective than coming up with a plan replacement. And it's obvious, too, because as soon as you suggest an alternative, you open yourself up to attack. Meanwhile, the Democrats regularly mocked them for having no better alternative. For some of them, this might have been just a communications strategy, but for many others, they were actually upset and mystified that the Republicans were not advocating an alternative plan.
So, these "decisions that are objectively wrong", it's just because it's worth it to them. Be anti-science because it increases your odds of gaining power. Supporters agree, and generally believe that all that stuff (science, reality, etc) will be dealt with after they gain power. They're very trusting that the people they support are more competent than they are letting on, and that it will work itself out.