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Re:San Francisco Asks: Where Have All the Children Gone? by djm_ on Sunday January 22, 2017 @09:49AM (#13455359)
>Most people without children just don't get how much more difficult ordinary life becomes.

This is a common thing to hear from parents but I feel it misses the mark for some couples that have rationally decided not to have children for precisely the reasons you stated. I think the difficulty you mentioned is actually a large reason as to why less couples are having kids in the first place.

Edit: completely reworded.

Re:San Francisco Asks: Where Have All the Children Gone? by selectodude on Sunday January 22, 2017 @09:56AM (#13455378)
How is that even slightly relevant?

Everyone knows that kids are a pain in the ass. Everyone who has kids says "I knew they were a pain in the ass but they are way more of a pain than I even anticipated."

So no, you don't know. You think you know but you don't. Continue not having kids. I will also continue not having kids. But don't be the "well I haven't seen it because I don't have a tv" guy because nobody gives a shit.

Re:San Francisco Asks: Where Have All the Children Gone? by ams6110 on Sunday January 22, 2017 @10:42AM (#13455594)
As a parent of three I never thought of it as difficulty so much as it just really forever changes things compared to how you lived as a single person or childless couple.

You can understand that well enough to decide that you don't want any part of it, without understanding it to the depth of a person who has experienced it.

Re:San Francisco Asks: Where Have All the Children Gone? by human_breather on Sunday January 22, 2017 @01:00PM (#13456242)
I agree, but I'm often confused by those without kids or those who say that having a kid totally changed people's lifestyles unexpectedly.

For me, having a kid has certainly been an (expected) money drain. But beyond that, my life is pretty similar to pre-kid. Wife and I still work our day jobs. Outside of work we still enjoy the same sorts of things we enjoyed before having a kid and continue to do those things. Now we just have an extra source of entertainment and responsibility in the kid as well.

Re:San Francisco Asks: Where Have All the Children Gone? by djm_ on Sunday January 22, 2017 @10:44AM (#13455614)
Yes, fully agree.
Re:San Francisco Asks: Where Have All the Children Gone? by darpa_escapee on Sunday January 22, 2017 @12:05PM (#13455978)
I'm not a parent for those reasons. However, if you haven't experienced something for yourself, you cannot truly know what it is like. This is true of everything, including parenting.
Re:San Francisco Asks: Where Have All the Children Gone? by Nomentatus on Sunday January 22, 2017 @02:34PM (#13456842)
Not exclusionary. Knowing it would be best to avoid being hit over the head by hammer, is not the same as experiencing being hit over the head with a hammer. Knowing you should avoid it and roughly why, and knowing what it's like when it happens are still very different things. (This is Bertrand Russell's distinction between "knowledge by description" and "knowledge by acquaintance.")