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Re:How to Avoid a Post-Antibiotic World by Asooka on Sunday January 22, 2017 @04:07AM (#13454366)
Yes, you're right in that adopting verbatim the philosophy of ancient China isn't a perfect fit for our modern world. But the sentiment - that doctors should make more money when we're healthy vs not is one worth thinking about. Currently the entire medical field is reactive - you get sick, you get treated. I've never heard of doctors administering preventative care. We don't have a profession that fills the niche of "I'm feeling fine now, but I want to take the steps necessary to prevent things that might ail me in the near future".
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Re:How to Avoid a Post-Antibiotic World by robbiep on Sunday January 22, 2017 @05:41AM (#13454596)
Sorry - this is an absolute load of crap.

There is a whole field of preventative medicine (also called population medicine) that aims to reduce the burden of disease.

Ever seen an advert for exercise? Seen warnings about levels of obesity? Seen an anti smoking sign? Received a vaccination? They are all driven by doctors, who aim to change behaviour to reduce the burden of disease.

There is enough disease and sickness to keep all the doctors of the world employed even if we were actually able to fix all the problems people currently have.

The major problem is, we don't have tools to fix the issues that are major in western societies: they suffer chronic diseases, and the problem with chronic disease is that they are very hard to treat (degenerative bone disorders, arthritis, emphysema and bronchitis, cardiovascular disease, neurodegeneration, diabetes and diabetes-related complications, many many others)

Don't drink the cool aid that has been thrown around... the problem is changing behaviour is hard - no-one wants to do it until they start suffering, and then it's too late. The idea that doctors are sitting there enjoying this windfall from patients they allow to get sick just so they can keep bread on the table is quite frankly extremely offensive and basely ignorant

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Re:How to Avoid a Post-Antibiotic World by DanBC on Sunday January 22, 2017 @04:22AM (#13454412)
> I've never heard of doctors administering preventative care.

"Making every contact count", a UK initiative to make sure that doctors[1] use every opportunity to promote smoking cessation, alcohol use reduction, weight loss, and other lifestyle adjustments.

http://makingeverycontactcount.co.uk/

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Re:How to Avoid a Post-Antibiotic World by claudius on Sunday January 22, 2017 @04:55AM (#13454480)
Though note that the NHS to some extend does incorporate that idea, namely that doctors are paid by the state and not by individual sick patients. Hence, doctors don’t have an incentive to ‘keep their patients sick, but alive’, which could be argued to be the case in systems such as Germany or the US, where doctors are paid for each individual visit by each individual patient.
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Re:How to Avoid a Post-Antibiotic World by andy_ppp on Sunday January 22, 2017 @06:11AM (#13454690)
This assumes doctors are capitalists; some are sure, but most of those people went into banking...
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Re:How to Avoid a Post-Antibiotic World by zadig on Sunday January 22, 2017 @10:51AM (#13455647)
You can't seriously think that US doctors want to keep their patients sick.
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Re:How to Avoid a Post-Antibiotic World by wtbob on Sunday January 22, 2017 @01:14PM (#13456323)
> "Making every contact count", a UK initiative to make sure that doctors[1] use every opportunity to promote smoking cessation, alcohol use reduction, weight loss, and other lifestyle adjustments.

Wow, that's truly the nanny state at work. I like tobacco, I enjoy smoking and I'm working on my weight. I hate it when I go to a physician's office and get offered the standard blurb about how smoking tobacco is apparently only slightly less lethal than mainlining cyanide with an arsenic chaser.

Frankly, that's a major reason why I don't bother going to see one. My body's working well enough, and while it'd be nice to know that my organs are in good condition, I don't want to deal with someone who doesn't respect me.

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Re:How to Avoid a Post-Antibiotic World by DanBC on Thursday January 26, 2017 @09:28AM (#13491575)
> when I go to a physician's office

Why the fuck are you going to a doctor if you don't want advice that will treat your illness?

And this is the point: a lot of health problems are preventable, and it is your doctor's job to tell you how to avoid those health problems.

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Re:How to Avoid a Post-Antibiotic World by Udik on Sunday January 22, 2017 @04:53AM (#13454478)
If I need that kind of advice I'll just give a phone call to my parents, thank you. It's also free.
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Re:How to Avoid a Post-Antibiotic World by DanBC on Sunday January 22, 2017 @08:35AM (#13455122)
Can your parents give you free smoking cessation tools such as nicotine replacements? Can they refer you to weight loss groups, and give you 3 free months?
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Re:How to Avoid a Post-Antibiotic World by Udik on Sunday January 22, 2017 @08:57AM (#13455192)
Why would you need a free smoking cessation tool when your cigarettes cost you several euros or pounds per day? Any smoking cessation tool is already less expensive than your vice.

But then of course my comment was at least in part sarcastic. An advice can always be a good thing; on the other hand, my first reaction at the idea is to think that I'd like my doctor to listen to whatever health issue I have and solve it, rather than giving me paternalistic advice. As if we didn't have enough already.

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Re:How to Avoid a Post-Antibiotic World by zo1 on Sunday January 22, 2017 @10:34AM (#13455551)
Not everyone has such handy and knowledgeable parents.

Edit. Grammar.

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Re:How to Avoid a Post-Antibiotic World by abalone on Sunday January 22, 2017 @04:15AM (#13454393)
> I've never heard of doctors administering preventative care.

You've never heard of preventative care visits? Annual physicals? Baby wellness exams? Vaccinations? I'm incredulous.

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Re:How to Avoid a Post-Antibiotic World by manarth on Sunday January 22, 2017 @05:15AM (#13454530)
There is some evidence to suggest that annual physicals do more harm than good [1][2] (although it's fair to add that there are competing viewpoints on that).

[1] http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/11/0...

[2] http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/16/health/annual-physical-unn...

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