Re:DuckDuckGo Hits 14M Searches in a Single Day
by panic on Saturday January 21, 2017 @02:18PM
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Why would DuckDuckGo need to exit? Are they losing money?
Re:DuckDuckGo Hits 14M Searches in a Single Day
by jackcosgrove on Saturday January 21, 2017 @05:25PM
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Money can corrupt, but so can poverty.
There is a financial sweet spot where the contributors to DuckDuckGo are fat and happy and there aren't greedy investors wanting to monetize all that trust.
Google has already occupied the greedy investor niche. DDG has carved out a niche where, I fear, the greatest threat is a lack of money for the people building and maintaining DDG. If they feel underappreciated, they may start to monetize that trust. The DDG team should be rewarded for their hard work.
Re:DuckDuckGo Hits 14M Searches in a Single Day
by AdamSC1 on Sunday January 22, 2017 @03:50PM
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No concern here. While we don't disclose the figure our CEO has publicly noted that we are indeed profitable:
Re:DuckDuckGo Hits 14M Searches in a Single Day
by adanto6840 on Saturday January 21, 2017 @03:02PM
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A quick Google search indicates that they've taken on ~$3M in funding. Depending on their revenues & expenses, that may mean that their investors aren't clamoring for quick returns. But at some point most investors do want to see a ROI/exit.
Re:DuckDuckGo Hits 14M Searches in a Single Day
by akiselev on Saturday January 21, 2017 @03:39PM
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Not if it's a vanity investment (I don't know if there's a better term for it). If some VCs know that their fund will ride on one or two unicorns (or network effects like in YC's case) and that the rest of the investments will fail or barrly return 1-5x, once it's clear what the unicorn is there's a little room for investments that aren't expected to have a financial ROI. Perhaps the investment gets the investors a foot in the door for future ventures by the team or into a field where they might not have deal flow, or they might just want the extra "street cred" and publicity. YC regularly gives slots with funding to nonprofits now, which by definition can't have a financial ROI.
Re:DuckDuckGo Hits 14M Searches in a Single Day
by WhitneyLand on Saturday January 21, 2017 @06:39PM
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Because they've taken VC money. Usually, even if a business becomes profitable investors do not want to wait out a long term approach or be involved in a "lifestyle" business.
Re:DuckDuckGo Hits 14M Searches in a Single Day
by fredwilson on Sunday January 22, 2017 @08:02AM
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we (USV) are the VCs who invested in DDG. we are very patient. and are happy to wait and see where this goes. this was a very small investment for us so there is no pressure on them from us.
Re:DuckDuckGo Hits 14M Searches in a Single Day
by WhitneyLand on Sunday January 22, 2017 @11:05AM
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Great to hear. Just shows not all money is equal. People remember these things.
Re:DuckDuckGo Hits 14M Searches in a Single Day
by boomboomsubban on Saturday January 21, 2017 @03:00PM
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What promises has Microsoft kept that would make me consider trusting privacy to them? A sale to Microsoft would mean the decision to use duckduckgo would rely solely on search performance, and as much as I love bangs it's not a better search engine.
Re:DuckDuckGo Hits 14M Searches in a Single Day
by WhitneyLand on Saturday January 21, 2017 @06:45PM
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No big company is perfect, so trust is a relative judgement. It's also somewhat based on values, so we may think have different opinions. For example, I would trust MS more than Oracle, or one of the big cable companies.
Re:DuckDuckGo Hits 14M Searches in a Single Day
by boomboomsubban on Sunday January 22, 2017 @12:59AM
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Why? When has Microsoft ever done anything that gives you the impression they respect your privacy?
I wonder how an exit will play out though. A big factor with DDG is user trust - that seems to limit the list potential buyers to the few that could credibly maintain that trust.
Then there is the IPO route, but that has it's own challenges. You could argue that up until now DDG has had no competition because Google doesn't think it's worth raising its hand to swat a fly. But there is no flying under the radar after an IPO. What if Google promoted a new "no track" feature which matched DDGs benefits without having to do dumb things like append query arguments, modify location, and run plugins?
You might say Google would never give up this much tracking control, but there are two caveats. First, if it's just an option buried in settings there will be limited uptake yet DDG's ability to claim differentiation would be nullified. Secondly, as DDG itself says, search can still be a great business without having to track people.
If I were lucky enough to be in DDGs position I would push for a Microsoft acquisition. MS has kept enough promises in recent years that they just may be able provide DDG users enough guarantees to maintain the trust. People have mentioned Apple but that seems like a lower probability for a variety of reasons. An MS deal would avoid the massive hassle of an IPO and enough resources to chip away at Google indefinitely without being pressured into short term decisions.
For now I'm just glad DDG is here trying to do some good.