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Re:Don’t Tell Your Friends They’re Lucky by wazoox on Thursday January 19, 2017 @04:25PM (#13439632)
You're an atheist, but you somehow believe that the good guys mostly win in the end. I call this religious, no insult intended, I'm speaking of a turn of spirit, not of actual religion. I think that the fundamental philosophical and political dissent lies there, that the irreconcilable point is that: either you think that the world is totally unjust, may crush you even if you're hard working, nice, polite, and let Pol Pot die peacefully in his bed, or you don't.

You want to believe, I dare say, maybe because of all the hard shit you had to go through. But there is somewhere in Aleppo or elsewhere someone who went through all the same hardship as you, and worked hard, and was nice and all, but who died miserably after having being tortured by jihadists or whatever and having seen his whole family beheaded. In fact, there are millions upon millions of people that did everything right but were unlucky to be born in Uganda or Syria or Libya or Bangladesh, and got fucked in the end, like most of the thousands who were drowned in the Mediterranean last year. Luck trumps merit. That's the whole point of the original article.

Re:Don’t Tell Your Friends They’re Lucky by mongmong on Thursday January 19, 2017 @04:41PM (#13439736)
I agree with you if youre saying we should acknowledge that bad luck can trump effort, but i don't agree this is a healthy attitude to carry over in your day to day life. Effort is something I can control. Could I fail no matter how much i try? Yes absolutely. Ask Hillary. But you won't know until you try.
Re:Don’t Tell Your Friends They’re Lucky by wazoox on Thursday January 19, 2017 @05:12PM (#13439927)
Well I was just trying to set some contrast on the fundamental difference of points of view from the first comment I answered to.
Re:Don’t Tell Your Friends They’re Lucky by many_bells_down on Thursday January 19, 2017 @08:49PM (#13441161)
Define "world". Define "good guy".

Is it inconsistent to believe that the world is totally unjust and, yet, also believe that individuals who put forth more effort are generally more successful? I think not.

The world itself may be totally unjust; physics shows no partiality for individuals who possess a greater "morality" or work ethic. However, we do not only live within the world. We also live within various frameworks, such as a culture, society, company, etc. These frameworks are not governed merely by physics, but by other humans. And these other humans do, almost by definition, show partiality. Therefore, I argue, that you can increase your chances for success through your own actions. This is not inconsistent with claiming Pol Pot and torturous jihadists "won"; they could have simply assessed their situation and, by their own effort, maximized their chances for success.

Re:Don’t Tell Your Friends They’re Lucky by mindcrime on Thursday January 19, 2017 @04:46PM (#13439762)
I see that argument as just sophistry - redefining "luck" to fit a particular worldview and set of circumstances. shrug