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Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by kelvin0 on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @05:41PM (#13431094)
TL;DR: Idle kids 'waste' their energy getting into self destructive behaviors. When the youthful energy is focused on a useful and valued skill, the chances of addictive behaviors is significantly lowered.
Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by edejong on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @05:53PM (#13431218)
TL;DR 2: Using a continuous and meticulous data-driven approach, Iceland was able to positively exercise large-scale social change.
Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by Florin_Andrei on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @06:18PM (#13431420)
Yes, but keep in mind that the "data driven" part is just a tool.

You could have the Joker from the Batman series doing data-driven evil stuff.

Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by edejong on Thursday January 19, 2017 @04:49AM (#13434454)
Data driven is almost a synonym for 'the scientific method', which can hardly be described as a tool.
Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by CaptSpify on Thursday January 19, 2017 @10:37AM (#13436566)
wat?

The Scientific Method is one of the most powerful tools we have!

Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by edejong on Friday January 20, 2017 @04:44AM (#13442622)
I don't really want to quibble over definitions, but most would define the Scientific Method as a series of methods, subject to change and continuous improvement, a complex interplay of various processes. Tools, for me at least, are applied to the Scientific Method. The tool is well defined, whereas the Scientific Method is an abstract concept within which tools are used.

But it's not clear, see also this excellent Quora Answer: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-a-theor...

Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by akjainaj on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @06:01PM (#13431303)
Well, "large scale"... it's a culturally/racially homogeneous country of a little over 300k people. Whatever works there will probably not work anywhere else
Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by edejong on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @06:47PM (#13431608)
... will probably not work ...

I've enjoyed many of your comments, but these kind of phrases are almost impossible to argue with. Why won't they work? What would it take to make them work? Moreover, if it is true that heterogeneity implies data-driven impotence, how do we exert change to govern ourselves in a smaller scale, more homogeneous way?

Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by akjainaj on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @06:55PM (#13431656)
I believe a data-driven approach has worked here specifically because it's a very very small country with a very homogeneous culture. If we multiply the population by 1000, and if we introduce minorities and other agents that increase the heterogeneity of the population, the data-driven approach would stop working because there simply are too many things to take care of. It's like trying to win a war: as the amount of concurrent battles approaches infinity, so does the complexity of the war, and therefore the chances of winning sharply decrease.

The solution, as you just said, is to govern ourselves in a smaller scale. Apply data-driven solutions (like this one from Iceland) to smaller communities, one by one. Also, make sure those who apply these solutions are knowledgeable about how those smaller communities work.

Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by caf on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @08:02PM (#13432047)
Apply data-driven solutions (like this one from Iceland) to smaller communities, one by one.

Funnily enough, TFA says precisely this.

Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by aylmao on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @07:51PM (#13431985)
You make it sound as if everyone in Iceland is literally the same person, and Mexican/African-American/Asian/White teens are irrevocably disjoint creatures from different planets or something.
Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by coredog64 on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @08:00PM (#13432033)
There is a popular smart phone application in Iceland that people use to find out if the person they are nominally attracted to is a cousin or similar close family relation.
Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by dinkumthinkum on Thursday January 19, 2017 @01:53AM (#13433694)
I wonder if the parent would take that as a challenge to create a startup around creating such an app for the US, since, well, apparently there is no compelling reason absent a pile of data to not think what works in one country won't work in another country .... That's not meant to be aggressive but I think it is a clear indictment of the reasoning used by many others rejecting what I think is a very obvious position.
Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by tritosomal on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @08:50PM (#13432290)
All well-behaved squares fit right into the same square hole.

The not-so-well-behaved usually aren't square, and usually don't fit in anywhere.

Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by tritosomal on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @09:12PM (#13432381)
I don't care if you downvote me.
Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by sctb on Thursday January 19, 2017 @05:37PM (#13440123)
The guidelines ask us not to go on about downvotes:

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by flukus on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @08:04PM (#13432054)
So it might not work on a national level anywhere else. What's to stop it being done at a city level everywhere else?
Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by nine_k on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @08:31PM (#13432186)
...a city not being an island?
Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by flukus on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @08:49PM (#13432283)
What difference does that make? The war on drugs is just as much a failure in isolated nations. They can manufacture locally easy enough.
Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by obmelvin on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @06:17PM (#13431416)
The exact solution may not work, but the overall approach to finding a solution very well could.

I also somewhat disagree with the notion that systems working in smaller countries cannot work in larger or more diverse countries (esp. regarding free education the US). It may be really, really damn hard, but such is the price of advancement of society.

Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by DKnoll on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @06:30PM (#13431511)
Calling Iceland even a 'smaller country' seems a bit of a leap, even if it were a city it would still be far from being considered a large one.
Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by chimeracoder on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @07:43PM (#13431939)
> Calling Iceland even a 'smaller country' seems a bit of a leap, even if it were a city it would still be far from being considered a large one.

Just a few numbers to put in perspective:

* Iceland's population (as of 2013) was 323,000.

* As of 2015, the US had 58 cities whose population was over 320,000. Combined, these cities account for about 16% of the total population of the US.

Though, even that's a bit misleading, because city populations aren't actually as meaningful as metropolitan populations (since city boundaries are arbitrary, and traveling between a city and the adjacent suburbs is easy). Since Iceland is an island, it's more elucidating to compare it to metropolitan areas:

* The US has 155 metropolitan areas whose population is larger than the 320,000. Together, these cities account for 74.7% of the US population. So, three-quarters of people living in the United States live in a metropolitan area whose population is greater than that of the entire country of Iceland.

Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by mos_basik on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @07:58PM (#13432023)
That's beautifully put. Thank you.
Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by akjainaj on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @06:24PM (#13431474)
I think "stopping substance abuse" and "free education" are very different problems. The first one is completely social, at least, while the second one has a strong economical component.
Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by EdHominem on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @06:33PM (#13431529)
Why are all of you going on about race?
Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by edejong on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @06:11PM (#13431379)
Please edit for typos and grammar fixes. Don't change the content.
Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by umberway on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @06:42PM (#13431584)
'Idle' adults do the same, and it's worth pointing out that young teenagers aren't permitted to contribute to society in other meaningful ways e.g. by getting a job if they can and prefer to.
Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by Jill_the_Pill on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @07:32PM (#13431884)
Of course they can contribute: they can help their families with day-to-day tasks, join scouts or other volunteer groups, help friends with homework. We had a Spring Cleaning day at my kids' school where about 25 teenagers scrubbed the bathrooms, painted over graffiti, washed windows, and decorated bulletin boards.
Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by umberway on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @08:52PM (#13432294)
I don't wish to imply that getting a job is the only meaningful thing a teen could be doing. However there are plenty of teens who would love to get paid jobs as say, programmers. They are denied because of old laws intended to prevent poor families forcing kids into mines or factories for twelve hours a day. Yet most of what teens are coerced into doing at present is 'make work'. It is this fact which explains the lack of motivation, not idleness or some kind of pathology requiring 'intervention'.
Re:Iceland knows how to stop teen substance abuse by bjelkeman-again on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @07:13PM (#13431769)
One result is an awesome local music scene. A country with the population of a town (300k) has a better and more active music scene than I have experienced anywhere.

The music festival in November every year is amazing and easy to get to from Europe and North America. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DscddNRltLw