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Re:Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Sur... by tptacek on Sunday January 15, 2017 @10:26AM (#13404383)
Why does the USG need global surveillance capability to fabricate damning traffic?
Re:Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Sur... by jMyles on Sunday January 15, 2017 @10:43AM (#13404464)
Hey buddy. You never responded to me in the other thread. :-)

Strictly speaking, it's not a requirement. But it gives incredible cover. It makes everyone think, "well, it's possible - they know everything that goes on."

In other words, absent this sort of mass vacuuming, the individual targeting of a dissident might seem much more suspicious.

Re:Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Sur... by tedunangst on Sunday January 15, 2017 @11:19AM (#13404632)
Conversely, even the myth that the NSA reads all traffic also lends credibility to that theory. They don't need to read all traffic, they just need HN commenters to say they do.
Re:Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Sur... by tptacek on Sunday January 15, 2017 @11:59AM (#13404872)
Don't normal people already sort of assume that? What's in doubt isn't the potential for the USG to learn these things, but the credibility of their unverified claims that they actually have learned them. I seriously don't see the connection between global surveillance and the USG's ability to lie convincingly: they can already lie convincingly.

Later

BTW: I felt like I responded to what you asked in other comments on the thread, and by the time I saw your comment, many other people had already responded. Nothing personal!

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Re:Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Sur... by tedunangst on Sunday January 15, 2017 @11:58AM (#13404870)
1. the hair on fire alarmism over imagined issues distracts from some very real issues.

2. some of those very real issues have very real solutions, but people still cry bloody murder because those solutions don't solve every imagined problem.

3. Exaggerating the scope of the problem conveys a sense of helplessness. What purpose is served by making people needlessly afraid? There's a point at which the harm caused by surveillance panic exceeds the harm caused by surveillance.

4. the hysteria results in people making stupid choices regarding email, messaging, etc. like "I can't trust the companies I know, so I'm going to trust companies I don't know". That's ridiculous. Or the fact that while Comcast may inject some janky notifications on web pages I visit, it's not straightup malware like rogue tor exit nodes inject.

5. It becomes impossible for anybody to actually discuss what's happening when every little molehill is a backdoor, or rootkit, or malware, or existential threat to cyber existence.

Re:Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Sur... by tptacek on Sunday January 15, 2017 @12:01PM (#13404886)
I'd also add that none of us should need to apologize for civil, good-faith discussion on HN.
Re:Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Sur... by revelation on Sunday January 15, 2017 @12:27PM (#13405076)
This obsession with comparatives is pointless if we don't know the scope.