Let’s Talk About Self-Driving Cars

Re:Let’s Talk About Self-Driving Cars by RangerScience on Tuesday January 10, 2017 @04:10PM (#13369025)

Simpler than that; Nissan's been working on it, and it's finally been announced:

http://www.autoblog.com/2017/01/10/nissan-self-driving-cars-...

> For example, Sierhuis described a situation where a temporary construction site, something like a crew repairing a traffic light, would confuse the car. Not only would the traffic signal be missing for the AI to process, but we would also have a worker waving cars through the intersection. It's a prime, real-world example of a challenge that is basically impossible to program into software. With SAM, when a self-driving Nissan approaches a situation like this, it stops and sends a signal to a human operator. This operator, called a Mobility Manager, checks the camera feeds from the car, high-definition maps, and whatever else he can, and then plots a new route for the car to take. This information is then sent to all the other Nissan AI machines in the area so that they don't have a problem when they approach the same intersection.

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Re:Let’s Talk About Self-Driving Cars by Animats on Tuesday January 10, 2017 @07:03PM (#13370530)

Except that Google was able to handle construction sites, traffic cones, and people directing traffic last year. Watch Urmson's video from SXSW.[1] Google has put a lot of effort into handling unusual situations. Those cars driving on residential streets in Mountain View and Austin have accumulated data on the hard cases.

The California DMV continues to publish autonomous vehicle crash reports. The last one was in October.[2] A Google vehicle was rear-ended at 3mph when it was entering an intersection with poor visibility, detected cross-traffic, and stopped.

I'm looking forward to the 2016 self-driving disengagement reports appearing on on the California DMV site.[3] Those were due January 1, covering the year ending 1 December 2016. Then we'll have comparative info on how all the players are doing.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj-rK8V-rik [2] https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/autonomous/auton... [3] https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/autonomous/disen...

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Re:Let’s Talk About Self-Driving Cars by jayjay71 on Tuesday January 10, 2017 @08:38PM (#13371043)

I'm curious: when do you think a stage 3, 4, and 5 vehicle will be readily available on the market (specifically the United States)?

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Re:Let’s Talk About Self-Driving Cars by Animats on Tuesday January 10, 2017 @08:54PM (#13371122)

Level 3 on major freeways in about two years. (Like Tesla claimed to have, but without the "slams into cars parked at the left edge of the road" bug.) Level 4, in the form of self-driving low-speed vans in campus-type areas, has already been deployed in a few locations.

Volvo loaned a family a Level 3 car yesterday.[1]

[1] https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/09/volvo-tests-self-driving...

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Re:Let’s Talk About Self-Driving Cars by ghaff on Tuesday January 10, 2017 @08:58PM (#13371144)

My personal expectation is that Level 3 could be relatively soon given that companies like Volvo are doing legitimate pilots. Maybe 10 years? But the question would be how many places they would (legally) be allowed to drive without an attentive driver and under what conditions.

It's not clear to me how much L4 buys you as a consumer product. "No driver during defined use case." If you can't go door to door in a wide range of weather conditions, what's the difference between having a non-attentive driver and no driver?

ADDED: Yes, as was written elsewhere, low-speed campus use cases make sense. But that's not what most people consider self-driving.

Level 5. Many decades.

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Re:Let’s Talk About Self-Driving Cars by gertef on Tuesday January 10, 2017 @06:47PM (#13370423)

Drone cars! Why isn't remote control driving progressing apace with self-driving cars?

Outsource Uber driving to lowest-wage drivers in India, Bangladesh, or Nigeria.

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Re:Let’s Talk About Self-Driving Cars by aurelianito on Tuesday January 10, 2017 @07:28PM (#13370679)

Latency

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Re:Let’s Talk About Self-Driving Cars by shitgoose on Tuesday January 10, 2017 @09:00PM (#13371148)

12 hours latency doesn't stop outsourcing the software projects, so it should be fine too.

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