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Re:When You Are Depressed, Make Something by asciimo on Tuesday January 10, 2017 @12:43PM (#13366896)
I like this idea of a gift-effort balance. Everyone requires a different mix to shine. But effort seems more important, as I see hard-working "average" people excel more often than lazy geniuses.
Re:When You Are Depressed, Make Something by throwaway729 on Tuesday January 10, 2017 @12:48PM (#13366962)
Yes.

But, I think the key realization is that whenever the incentives are strong enough, a lot of hard-working geniuses will be fighting for the prize. Hard-working geniuses are really hard to compete against, and if you don't realize that natural variation is a real thing, you can get discouraged pretty quickly.

Re:When You Are Depressed, Make Something by mack73 on Tuesday January 10, 2017 @01:01PM (#13367112)
Screw those hard-working geniuses, always turning life into a freakin' competition ffs.
Re:When You Are Depressed, Make Something by throwaway729 on Tuesday January 10, 2017 @05:33PM (#13369837)
Just to clarify, that's not my opinion at all!

Usually, those people are making disproportionate contributions to the world for comparably small rewards. Usually. We're lucky to have Einsteins and Bachs and Taos and an infinitude of less well-known but probably equally capable hard-working geniuses. I'm very grateful for hard-working geniuses who devote themselves to important problems! Some of them do apply themselves toward more secular ends, such as Gates. That's OK too, although the world takes care of gratefulness for me ;-)

It's just important to realize they exist if you ever get into a situation where you're regularly competing with them.

Re:When You Are Depressed, Make Something by asciimo on Tuesday January 10, 2017 @12:56PM (#13367055)
Agreed. At this age, I'm content to let the hard-working geniuses move the world forward and inspire me, while I do the best I can in my limited corner of it.
Re:When You Are Depressed, Make Something by Bartweiss on Tuesday January 10, 2017 @02:14PM (#13367934)
I learned this one looking at mathematics graduate students. There's plenty for non-geniuses to do, but someone who wants to be exceptional at their work should almost certainly pick a different field. There's a ridiculous amount of brainpower in the field, and if you're not near the top you're never going to be one of the superstars.
Re:When You Are Depressed, Make Something by mmirate on Tuesday January 10, 2017 @01:08PM (#13367191)
> don't realize that natural variation is a real thing

Google shows me nothing but out-of-context biology-textbook material, so I'll ask: what is the relevance here of "natural variation"?

Re:When You Are Depressed, Make Something by throwaway729 on Tuesday January 10, 2017 @01:22PM (#13367367)
I didn't mean it as a technical term.

I just meant "some people are smarter/more productive than others for reasons beyond either person's control at the time of measurement".

So it could be environmental factors (access to better support or higher quality educational experiences in early childhood). Or just genetic. I'm not positing any specific causes, just making a general observation that I find to be true of the world I see around me: especially at the highest levels, some people really are just smarter than others, and no amount of hard work could close the gap.