Re:An obscure research project could accelerate innovation i...
by notjack on Saturday January 07, 2017 @10:39PM
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> Whether these restricted languages are doable as embedded DSLs in general-purpose language remains to be seen
I'd argue that the Racket language (or language platform, depending on your view of things) shows it's possible with its #lang mechanism and macro system. For example, though Racket proper is untyped, Typed Racket is implemented as a #lang with macros and includes an optimizing compiler that removes runtime checks on programs that typecheck successfully.
Re:An obscure research project could accelerate innovation i...
by kd0amg on Saturday January 07, 2017 @06:15PM
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Whether these restricted languages are doable as embedded DSLs in general-purpose language remains to be seen. There have been attempts that work pretty well (Accelerate for Haskell is the one I know best), but they are limited in expressibility, and the ergonomics (type errors and conceptual clarity) are not great.
Ziggurat[0] was an attempt at a general-purpose system to communicate static properties of DSLs past the more general host language (where they don't necessarily apply). It probably falls under the "ergonomics are not great" category though.
0: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/shivers/papers/ziggurat-jfp.pdf
Whether these restricted languages are doable as embedded DSLs in general-purpose language remains to be seen. There have been attempts that work pretty well (Accelerate for Haskell is the one I know best), but they are limited in expressibility, and the ergonomics (type errors and conceptual clarity) are not great. Also, even with all the work that has gone into Accelerate, the end result is only useful to Haskell programmers, which is a shame. Perhaps this can be solved with a sufficient amount of shared infrastructure. Access to the real AST, instead of the lifted operations used by Accelerate, would be a good start.