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Re:Carrot and Stick: that doesn’t work on Programmers by drawkbox on Saturday January 07, 2017 @03:24PM (#13346410)
The age ol' "How Software Companies Die"[1] has much on this point.

The environment that nurtures creative programmers kills management and marketing types - and vice versa....

[1] http://www.call-with-current-continuation.org/rants/how-comp...

Re:Carrot and Stick: that doesn’t work on Programmers by prewett on Saturday January 07, 2017 @03:47PM (#13346529)
+5 Insightful! I've read that piece a number of times, and never come away with your conclusion. I always took away from it that the failing was managers trying to make things predictable, not that they have conflicting core values.
Re:Carrot and Stick: that doesn’t work on Programmers by mrmrcoleman on Saturday January 07, 2017 @03:52PM (#13346565)
Great post but still nurtures the idea that programmers are somehow a special form of human. That idea is part of the problem.
Re:Carrot and Stick: that doesn’t work on Programmers by chadcmulligan on Saturday January 07, 2017 @04:26PM (#13346742)
Programmer type personalities are in every industry (animators/graphic designers/techs..) in general the suits don't care about these people.

It's just there are so many suits trying to extract money using programmers that causes all these discussions, and there are to few good programmers. I don't know if there was any other time in human history that there was a skill so in demand and with such a limited talent pool.

Re:Carrot and Stick: that doesn’t work on Programmers by drawkbox on Saturday January 07, 2017 @05:11PM (#13346942)
I think it is about creative and production modes, they are different to any human in those states.

Being rushed or designate time to be creative is hard, there has to be a balance of on/off to allow creativity to happen from anyone.

John Cleese probably put this most eloquently with "closed" and "open" states to allow creativity to happen in the human mind in this talk on how to be Creative [1][2]

Now here's the negative thing: Creativity is not a talent. It is not a talent, it is a way of operating.

MacKinnon showed that the most creative had simply acquired a facility for getting themselves into a particular mood -- "a way of operating" -- which allowed their natural creativity to function.

In fact, MacKinnon described this particular facility as an ability to play.[2]

Entertainment companies like Pixar, Valve, HBO, Netflix, independent standouts, etc, know how to create systems that help people get into the "open" state to create. Good software companies/game companies do as well from design to development and onward.

[1] https://vimeo.com/89936101 or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EMj_CFPHYc

[2] genius: http://genius.com/John-cleese-lecture-on-creativity-annotate...

Re:Carrot and Stick: that doesn’t work on Programmers by user5994461 on Saturday January 07, 2017 @07:36PM (#13347528)
> The environment that nurtures creative programmers kills management and marketing types - and vice versa....

Misleading quote at best. That's only the first line of the article, written for thought provocation.

There isn't anything in the article that prevent management or marketing from working with programmers.