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Re:Is it time to swap your Mac for a Windows laptop? by meesterdude on Saturday January 07, 2017 @11:00AM (#13344721)
It's never time for a windows laptop. Actually, I'm really happy with switching from mac to Fedora - after 22 years as a daily mac user.

I tried to get debian and its children & grandchildren to run on my PC, but all had issues. The most frustrating being mouse clicks intermittently not working. (seriously? 2017 and we can't figure out mouse clicks?)

But Fedora worked, it detected everything correctly, and I had a box that I could actually just start using and not spend hours (or days) configuring to get the basics working.

I would go so far as to say it's been relatively apple-esque in experience polish - when contrasted with most other distros. I've also had more stability and performance in general.

I still have nvidia screen tearing to sort out somehow. It's annoying but tolerable. But I also have way more control over my machine, and can change/do things that Apple would never let you.

Anyway, I recommend checking out Fedora if you're considering moving to linux, and have had troubles with ubuntu & co.

Re:Is it time to swap your Mac for a Windows laptop? by dockinator on Saturday January 07, 2017 @02:57PM (#13346242)
It may have been time better spent learning why it was broken and send the patches upstream.
Re:Is it time to swap your Mac for a Windows laptop? by meesterdude on Saturday January 07, 2017 @07:04PM (#13347434)
> time better spent learning why it was broken

What are you thinking here? a couple of hours and i'm done? Because this offhand comment would take me months, possibly years to actually be able to do. I know what I don't know - and it's a lot.

Re:Is it time to swap your Mac for a Windows laptop? by dockinator on Saturday January 07, 2017 @08:00PM (#13347602)
There's no better time to start than now. The more people that contribute, the better the platform gets. Bugs don't get fixed when people ignore them.
Re:Is it time to swap your Mac for a Windows laptop? by meesterdude on Sunday January 08, 2017 @12:26AM (#13348445)
I think it would be far more useful of myself and others, to properly identify and raise bugs so that developers with the proper knowledge and skill can address it.

The assumption that just anyone can contribute and resolve these issues is extremely generous, and unrealistic. Maybe if you're fresh out of school, you have the time available to truly dig in. But when you're working a FT job, and have a side project, and a life - there is no time for such a deep dive with such little yield. Because not only do you not know the language, you don't know the codebase and you don't know the domain. That's an awful lot to catch up on to fix a bug.

I agree people can be more involved with the software they use. But I think that can play out in many different ways, suited for what each person can bring to the table.

Re:Is it time to swap your Mac for a Windows laptop? by dockinator on Sunday January 08, 2017 @09:43AM (#13349841)
Oh, you properly identified and raised the bug? From the comment, it sounded like you abandoned ship and installed Fedora (which may or may not eventually have the same bug).
Re:Is it time to swap your Mac for a Windows laptop? by meesterdude on Sunday January 08, 2017 @12:26PM (#13350794)
You're not wrong - I jumped to fedora (which did not have any of the bugs I experienced). But FWIW, many of them already had been identified elsewhere. Fedora has had it's own bugs of course - though minor ones. I have taken the time to raise them within the Fedora community, but I couldn't do that with debian and it's descendants because the system was in an unusable state (the bugs)
Re:Is it time to swap your Mac for a Windows laptop? by dockinator on Monday January 09, 2017 @01:32PM (#13358532)
Glad to hear. Lots of users just consume, and don't give back. Reporting bugs is a huge help.