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Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4... by bogomipz on Thursday January 05, 2017 @01:19PM (#13329730)
>" The fact is you pay ~16% of your paycheck into social security."

Not quite. This is actually split between the employee and the employer. With each contributing 6.2%.

https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10022.pdf

Also why are you admonishing the OP? He has every right to pessimistic about this current state of social security.

Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4... by avn2109 on Thursday January 05, 2017 @01:45PM (#13330040)
But your employer is perfectly capable of doing accounting. So they pass through their 6.2% to you.

In practice the mechanism is that every employer figures it in to their offers, such that every offer you ever receive is ~6.2% lower than it would be if SS didn't exist.

Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4... by jellicle on Thursday January 05, 2017 @03:02PM (#13330820)
In practice, every employer pays what it needs to get employees, and nothing more. Unless something changes the number of employees available, salaries don't change.

Tax cuts go straight into the employer's pocket, as the employer will happily tell you to your face:

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/05/corporations-prepare-to-...

Sure, it's theoretically possible that the employer could pass all tax cuts to its suppliers. McDonald's could call up and offer to pay more for frozen hamburgers and fries. Walmart could tell its Chinese shoe makers that it plans to pay double for all future pairs, just because. But, why would that happen as opposed to rewarding the shareholders?

Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4... by pc86 on Thursday January 05, 2017 @02:44PM (#13330645)
> such that every offer you ever receive is ~6.2% lower than it would be if SS didn't exist

Every offer is up to 6.2% lower. I have a business with employees but their pay is sufficiently low (compared to the revenue of the business; their pay is above market for the jobs they do) that SS does not enter into our calculations. If the employer portion of SS was eliminated tomorrow we would not give anyone a 6.2% raise, nor would future employees get offers 6.2% greater.

I'm sure somewhere there is an employee whose salary is a big piece of a business's income and they would have gotten a little more money had that tax not been there. But I'm pretty sure that's the exception rather than the rule, if for no other reason than SS taxes are capped so you reach a point where more salary does not equal more SS tax.

Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4... by kgwgk on Thursday January 05, 2017 @03:00PM (#13330799)
Maybe you will have to give them a raise when they notice that pay elsewhere has gone up. Of course if they already get 6% more than they would at the next comparable job today there is no economic reason to give them the raise, but there is not economic reason to pay them so much currently either.
Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4... by bogomipz on Thursday January 05, 2017 @07:23PM (#13332800)
>" if for no other reason than SS taxes are capped so you reach a point where more salary does not equal more SS tax."

Indeed, social security isn't taxed on anything above 118K.

Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4... by merpnderp on Thursday January 05, 2017 @02:37PM (#13330595)
My employer also calculates health care and 401k matching, ie the full cost of employment to the department who will be bearing the cost. A salary of $100k is really a cost of ~$125k.

[EDIT] With health care costs being fixed at crazy high amounts (in the US at least.)

Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4... by bogomipz on Thursday January 05, 2017 @07:41PM (#13332887)
I don't believe for a minute that if it Social Security were to be phased out everyone would see their salary rise 6.2%.