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Re:'Legitimate' US healthcare pricing could reduce costs by ... by msrpotus on Wednesday January 04, 2017 @10:45PM (#13324540)
I've tried to do that for relatively routine care and it's a headache and a half. I spent half a workday (because, of course, I could only do it during business hours--good thing I have a job with a flexible schedule) calling up doctors' offices and waiting while they figured out how much they charged for a new patient appointment. If ZocDoc reliably had that information, it would make shopping around easier (my insurance had a directory but most of the price info was wrong).

In the absence of that, it's just not so easy to shop around for medical care.

Re:'Legitimate' US healthcare pricing could reduce costs by ... by WalterBright on Wednesday January 04, 2017 @10:58PM (#13324606)
I never had such problems. I asked, they answered (even if they had to go ask their accounting dept). I then asked for a discount, and got one. Doctors' offices are a business, and if they balk, tell them you're going to their [insert name of nearby competitor]. Don't let them get away with pretending not to know - after all, they are perfectly capable of sending you a bill.
Re:'Legitimate' US healthcare pricing could reduce costs by ... by cbsmith on Thursday January 05, 2017 @08:39PM (#13333225)
I don't think you appreciate how fortunate you have been.

I recently served jury duty on a civil case where the heart of it was about determining medical costs, and listened to people whose expertise was to determine what was reasonable and customary pricing for a given service tell me price ranges that spanned orders of magnitude sized differences in price. They needed access to multiple private databases (whose costs were prohibitive for a single use case) to determine these prices... but even with those databases they had to temper what they found with their own expertise as the data could be incorrect or incorrectly encoded. They also explained that prior to providing a service, you might anticipate only one item to be charged, the end result might actually be an order of magnitude more items charged, some of which were literally additional instances of the anticipated services.

A few years ago, when it was rolled out, I was trying to help my mother-in-law shop around for Medicare Part D plans. This should have been the easiest thing to price out: I had a list of prescription items, I knew exactly what doses and medicines she needed, and how often. I got a list of eligible providers, and proceeded to determine their their pricing and coverage rules. I figured it should be as simple as building a spreadsheet and doing basic linear optimization. First, it turned out to be very hard to get pricing, particularly in an easy to digest fashion. Beyond that, I was told the pricing could be missing some entries, could be incorrect, or could be out of date and/or could change in the near future. I also found that coverage policy invariably had subjective elements that made outcomes nondeterministic. Nobody was willing to stand behind a fixed price.

Most of the time it is a #@$@#%ing crap shoot.

Re:'Legitimate' US healthcare pricing could reduce costs by ... by rcraft on Wednesday January 04, 2017 @11:25PM (#13324729)
I'm genuinely curious where and for what types of procedures you have had so much success in getting pricing/cost info up front for.

As most of the people in this thread have experienced its a maddening process. I've tried several times for routine procedures and its a huge headache that takes lots of time and lots of waiting on hold.

Re:'Legitimate' US healthcare pricing could reduce costs by ... by WalterBright on Thursday January 05, 2017 @12:23AM (#13324975)
One way is to show up in person and ask. It's a lot easier to negotiate face to face than over the phone. It's the same when negotiating a price for a car, a hotel, stay, etc. I answered your other question elsewhere in this topic.

If the bill is potentially one of those crippling high ones, I'd suggest it's worthwhile to invest the time doing this, despite it being maddening.

Re:'Legitimate' US healthcare pricing could reduce costs by ... by rcraft on Thursday January 05, 2017 @11:36AM (#13328528)
Hmm. Driving from provider to provider when trying to "shop around" is really not that feasible for most people.

But I suppose it could work better. I'm skeptical though. Finding the appropriate "accounting" folks in person would be a nightmare. A lot of the hospitals and providers I've dealt with use "third party" billing so your in person strategy with these types of parties would basically be impossible.

Re:'Legitimate' US healthcare pricing could reduce costs by ... by DanBC on Thursday January 05, 2017 @09:13PM (#13333358)
> Doctors' offices are a business, and if they balk, tell them you're going to their [insert name of nearby competitor].

This seems like the absolute worst way to chose a doctor. I know some people in England chose hospitals based on car park charges, and I guess that's worse, but still.