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Re:Ask HN: Will We Get Close to a General AI in 2017? by notahacker on Wednesday January 04, 2017 @10:11AM (#13318841)
> Based on everything else we know about the world now, we can "just" simulate a brain. "Just" may mean "after another 200 years of work", of course. The alternative is "the brain is magical somehow", which is not a strong argument on its own – we don't often end up finding magic to be the answer.

In order to accurately simulate a particular brain, we'd need the technology to (i) accurately read all the information encoded in a particular brain, which everything we know about the brain suggests depends on getting a snapshot of the state of 85 billion neurons - and chemical interactions of those neurons' constituent proteins - at a particular millisecond in time. (ii) manipulate matter (or write matter-simulating code) such that we duplicate the state of that brain at that time, and probably the associated body too, with sufficient accuracy for the biochemical reactions (or digital emulation of the biochemical reactions) continue to produce a patterns resembles the thought processes of the emulated brain in their outputs.

I don't think we need to invoke "magic" or vitalism or quantum brains to suggest that replicators capable of reproducing a particular state of a mind-bogglingly complex set of biochemical processes without significant information loss may not be a practical possibility in future. If anything, that sounds harder than achieving AGI or something approaching it via other means.

As for the hype about general AI, we're responding to a thread musing on whether we'll get "close" to achieving it this year.

Re:Ask HN: Will We Get Close to a General AI in 2017? by sambe on Wednesday January 04, 2017 @11:02AM (#13319332)
My comment was in the context of GAI feasibility - possibly "the brain" would have been clearer than "a brain"? I didn't want to exclude non-human/non-mammalian brains, even if very similar. Simulating an existing, specific brain was not my intention: that seems like it would involve - as you say - a rather different and larger set of problems.

If "all the hype" is a single HN question (not even an assertion) this counts as "over the top", then what would be an appropriate amount of discussion other than none at all?

Re:Ask HN: Will We Get Close to a General AI in 2017? by notahacker on Wednesday January 04, 2017 @12:41PM (#13320301)
Simulating "the brain" for any non trivial brain[1] sounds even harder than simulating "a brain" (or creating AI in some non-brain-resembling form) since it would appear to imply identifying what the billions of constituent parts of a brain do well enough to generalise rather than merely copy patterns of brain function.

Someone who probably isn't wholly uninformed asking if we're getting close to AGI this year is obviously a symptom rather than the cause of the hype. I mean, if we're working on Ray Kurzweil's Singularity is Near timescale, I'll be able to buy computational power equivalent to the human brain for $999 in three years' time. Still, Peter Diamindis did update that a couple of years ago by pushing that deadline out to 2025, so I guess at least I'll still be smarter than my next bottom-spec Macbook Air.

[1]C elegans is pretty trivial

Re:Ask HN: Will We Get Close to a General AI in 2017? by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday January 04, 2017 @12:43PM (#13320321)
> If "all the hype" is a single HN question...

It's not, though. It comes up over and over here, and often it's a link to an external article rather than an "Ask HN".

Re:Ask HN: Will We Get Close to a General AI in 2017? by sambe on Wednesday January 04, 2017 @05:27PM (#13322693)
I can't recall a single instance of a story or serious comment. Do you have some example stories?
Re:Ask HN: Will We Get Close to a General AI in 2017? by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday January 04, 2017 @07:54PM (#13323729)
https://hn.algolia.com/?query=artificial%20general%20intelli... shows a dozen articles in the last year, so an average of one a month. I only searched on "general artificial intelligence"; other search strings might find additional articles.
Re:Ask HN: Will We Get Close to a General AI in 2017? by sambe on Thursday January 05, 2017 @02:37AM (#13325435)
Most have no comments/less than 5 points or only happen to contain the word "general". Many are simply asking questions such as "what does GAI mean?" and "is it possible at all?". You can count that as hype if you want, I guess.

I also wish all of the sugar beverage hype would stop (https://hn.algolia.com/?query=coca%20cola&sort=byPopularity&...).