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Re:Intel Core i7-7700K Kaby Lake review: Is the desktop CPU ... by ajross on Tuesday January 03, 2017 @03:28PM (#13312738)
That use of "cheap" is doing too much work. Obviously Intel hasn't squandered many-core scalability either, c.f. Broadwell-E which is available with as many as 10 cores and targetted at exactly your market.

It's just not cheap, being a 240mm2 die (almost twice what Kaby Lake is, with attendant yield penalties) targetted at a niche market with low volume.

So your point isn't that Intel isn't innovating, it's that you want them to do it in a way that violates straightforward economics and hand it to you for less than it takes to produce.

Basically: you got spoiled by the early days of the VLSI revolution. Silicon scaling isn't doing what you expect any more.

Re:Intel Core i7-7700K Kaby Lake review: Is the desktop CPU ... by Retric on Tuesday January 03, 2017 @04:33PM (#13313325)
At Intel's scale having 4 core chips with integrated graphics or 6 core chips without integrated graphics and slightly smaller transistor count is not a significant cost, meaning they could both sell for similar prices.

They don't do this because they have zero real completion and can milk the high end market. Further, by holding back performance gains they can extend the upgrade cycle as long as possible.

PS: Cellphones are approaching Desktop chip performance.

Re:Intel Core i7-7700K Kaby Lake review: Is the desktop CPU ... by ajross on Tuesday January 03, 2017 @05:19PM (#13313703)
> At Intel's scale having 4 core chips with integrated graphics or 6 core chips without integrated graphics and slightly smaller transistor count is not a significant cost, meaning they could both sell for similar prices.

Yeah, that's not how silicon manufacturing works. Tooling up for a new part of this size and ramping production gets into the tens to hundreds of millions of dollars. No one does niche-market (and yes, gaming desktops are niche) parts at the prices you expect.

Low-volume big parts cost a thousand dollars or more, that's no different at Intel than it is anywhere else.

Re:Intel Core i7-7700K Kaby Lake review: Is the desktop CPU ... by Retric on Wednesday January 04, 2017 @10:34AM (#13319049)
It's going to be ~1:1 with the number of discrete nvidia + AMD graphics cards sold which is not exactly niche.

Further, Intel already has a range of chips in production making that 100's of millions per chip vastly overblown. You can measure these numbers in several ways, but ramping up 100 million of chip X or 80 million of chip X and 20 million of chip version Y is nowhere near 200+ million.

Re:Intel Core i7-7700K Kaby Lake review: Is the desktop CPU ... by Retric on Thursday January 05, 2017 @07:09PM (#13332718)
Ed: For clarity the cost delta is not 200+ million, the price is vastly more than 200+ million to make 100 million of chip X.