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Re:Ask HN: Thinking of moving to Europe from USA by taway_1212 on Saturday December 31, 2016 @10:43AM (#13291461)
You can't ignore the demand side of the equation though. US is leading economic and military (which leads to lots of tech as well) superpower and a lot of European countries are relatively backwater in comparison.

For example, in the UK, there's little real tech companies and most developer roles are confined to non-tech support roles in other economy sectors (finance, retail etc.).

Re:Ask HN: Thinking of moving to Europe from USA by ma2rten on Saturday December 31, 2016 @12:42PM (#13292083)
I did a search on the most recent How's Hiring thread to see how many jobs are offered in each city. I think it's fair to assume that most people posting there are "real tech companies":

  San Francisco: 170
  New York: 96
  London: 90
  Boston: 38
  Berlin: 34
I just did a full text search so there might be some double counting.
Re:Ask HN: Thinking of moving to Europe from USA by taway_1212 on Saturday December 31, 2016 @02:13PM (#13292596)
> I think it's fair to assume that most people posting there are "real tech companies":

That is debatable and depends largely on a definition. My viewpoint is that a large portion of the companies in the current VC-inspired "tech" world are merely applying tech and not really developing it. For every company like Datastax there's a dozen of companies which are just applying tech solutions (packaged and sold by other companies) to a specific business/consumer problem.

Or, to put it in other terms, if the job offer does not say "Msc/PhD in X preferred" (where X is the job, like distributed systems, deep learning etc.), then it's likely not quite a "real tech" job.

Re:Ask HN: Thinking of moving to Europe from USA by hacker_9 on Saturday December 31, 2016 @11:39AM (#13291718)
No? I've worked in plenty of software developer roles in the UK, not sure where this is coming from.
Re:Ask HN: Thinking of moving to Europe from USA by twic on Saturday December 31, 2016 @12:51PM (#13292128)
What our disposable friend claimed was that there are few "real tech companies", not that there are few roles. There's some truth in that; there are lots of jobs working for banks, supermarkets, consultancies, publishers, etc, but relatively few in companies which are either pure-play tech (who is the British Microsoft or Dropbox?) or even consumer web (who is the British Facebook or Google?).

That might or might not be a bad thing. It means you're more likely to be working for a real company, with a real business model, rather than some freak kept above by advertising and VC misallocation.

Re:Ask HN: Thinking of moving to Europe from USA by kragniz on Saturday December 31, 2016 @01:27PM (#13292337)
ARM is pretty well known
Re:Ask HN: Thinking of moving to Europe from USA by taway_1212 on Saturday December 31, 2016 @02:02PM (#13292530)
Yeah that's literally the one that comes to my mind. Germany seems to have a strong robotics market (not only industrial, but also self-driving cars kind of stuff etc.) but most job posts I see are either straight in German or require a good command of it.
Re:Ask HN: Thinking of moving to Europe from USA by moo360 on Saturday December 31, 2016 @01:25PM (#13292325)
This is just complete rubbish. Sorry, it looks like you have extremely limited experience of tech jobs outside of the US, and/or are purposefully trolling.