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Re:Larry Page is pouring millions into flying cars by elmar on Friday December 30, 2016 @06:02PM (#13288287)
I have been working on a flying car project for years and can guarantee you that one/two seat Electrical VTOL is at least 30 years away, battery density must triple and then you have regulations.

Current solutions can be airborne at maximum 15 minutes considering that FAA and other agencies require 20 minutes reserve you do the math.

The Zee.aero patent design as been abandoned because they couldn't scale it to fit a passenger inside.

Re:Larry Page is pouring millions into flying cars by avn2109 on Friday December 30, 2016 @06:21PM (#13288380)
If by "flying car" Larry really means "Toyota Camry that can fly with middle class people inside" then that's obviously preposterous to anyone with the slightest shred of general aviation experience.

If he means "VTOL Cessna with really good avionics" it's still a tall order but perhaps within the realm of "eventually possible given great determination and unlimited money" instead of "laugh him out of town."

Re:Larry Page is pouring millions into flying cars by elmar on Friday December 30, 2016 @07:39PM (#13288725)
the cost it's also another big barrier I don't see it hitting the market at less than $250k.

As a proxy you have Icon A5 it was target at a price point of $130k in 2008 currently it's priced around $240k and only a handful have been delivered.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICON_A5

Re:Larry Page is pouring millions into flying cars by elmar on Friday December 30, 2016 @06:29PM (#13288423)
off course it will be possible when batteries tripple the density without increasing weight.

You will get a 25 minute around 30 miles ride with 20 minute reserve

Re:Larry Page is pouring millions into flying cars by lisper on Friday December 30, 2016 @06:50PM (#13288514)
And without being a fire hazard.
Re:Larry Page is pouring millions into flying cars by elmar on Friday December 30, 2016 @07:04PM (#13288572)
with current battery technology this is controlled but with new tech chemistry this could become a problem.
Re:Larry Page is pouring millions into flying cars by toomuchtodo on Friday December 30, 2016 @06:53PM (#13288534)
Biofuels. Otherwise, you're waiting another 20 years.
Re:Larry Page is pouring millions into flying cars by elmar on Friday December 30, 2016 @07:12PM (#13288609)
to do a small combustion engine VTOL vehicle its even harder I have only seen it work with several two stroke engines.

Another optin is turbine like the AirMule, but will be hard to use it for civilian operations the hourly cost is brutal and noise and heat is really annoying for nearby people and even passengers.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_Aeronautics_AirMule

Re:Larry Page is pouring millions into flying cars by elmar on Friday December 30, 2016 @07:28PM (#13288687)
Re:Larry Page is pouring millions into flying cars by elmar on Friday December 30, 2016 @06:23PM (#13288392)
as a sidenote contrary to the rest of the world there is no regulation in the USA for a electrical LSA Ligh Sport Aircraft because it can only be powered by internal combustion engine the FAA is taking more than a decade to add two words to the regulation "and Electrical" imagine how much will take to develop a completely new regulation for electrical VTOL.
Re:Larry Page is pouring millions into flying cars by yeppers123 on Saturday December 31, 2016 @02:40AM (#13290020)
Eh, it's not that far away if we really wanted to push it.

Just add an airfoil envelope with enough of something lighter than air(heated air, helium, w/e) to offset the weight until a decent performance point is met. The heat from the engines running could help heat the gas for added efficiency.

Hybrid airships are already being marketed by Lockheed Martin so this isn't revolutionary at all.

Re:Larry Page is pouring millions into flying cars by natosaichek on Friday December 30, 2016 @06:06PM (#13288312)
what about the joby s2? Is that also impossible? It looks feasible and there are a bunch of people working on it... Thoughts?
Re:Larry Page is pouring millions into flying cars by elmar on Friday December 30, 2016 @06:16PM (#13288356)
similiar glider designs to Joby S2 get 1h to 1h30 flight time with current battery density, it all depends how much energy is spent doing the vertical takeoff and landing.
Re:Larry Page is pouring millions into flying cars by elmar on Friday December 30, 2016 @07:48PM (#13288758)
For electrical VTOL the Joby is probably the best bet, one big question mark is, the 16 motors how much will weight even at a very low weight of 15kg each you get 240kg/52lb in motors a similar complete two person glider weights around 300kg/661lb.
Re:Larry Page is pouring millions into flying cars by londons_explore on Friday December 30, 2016 @08:30PM (#13288886)
Motors will be more like 1kg each. One can get a 10 kilowatt 1 kg air cooled motor.

Batteries are the heavy bit, and in my opinion, the future there is to have batteries capable of 2 minutes of flying, and a gasoline engine as a hybrid generator.

Re:Larry Page is pouring millions into flying cars by elmar on Saturday December 31, 2016 @05:50AM (#13290547)
don't know if you ou will manage lift with 160kw will depend on overall weight, you also have to factor the weight of the propeller and rotating mechanism and covers so 10 to 15 kg is not exaggerated.