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Re:Technical report on DNC hack [pdf] by grandalf on Thursday December 29, 2016 @04:18PM (#13280216)
> presented it as evidence

Quite predictable, since they also considered the wild accusations of various politicians of a high level Russian conspiracy to be evidence.

Re:Technical report on DNC hack [pdf] by gipp on Thursday December 29, 2016 @04:38PM (#13280358)
If you rephrase your hysterical wording as "major bipartisan concern across every intelligence agency and nearly all ranking members of both houses of Congress, including the heads of both Intelligence Committees," then I'm not really sure what more evidence you or I could hope for from such an obviously sensitive, active topic for the time being.
Re:Technical report on DNC hack [pdf] by grandalf on Thursday December 29, 2016 @04:40PM (#13280378)
By mentioning that they are "ranking members" you make an argument from authority that is predicated on the legitimacy of the government alone, effectively saying "kneel and take whatever they say at face value".

In my view, they are all self-serving career politicians and none have shown any particular reason they should be trusted or respected. They were the ones who urged the knee-jerk reaction in Iraq which has cost trillions of dollars and many lives, among many other bad decisions that they all agree on.

Re:Technical report on DNC hack [pdf] by gipp on Thursday December 29, 2016 @04:45PM (#13280414)
Fine. But (assuming you extend this attitude to "the mainstream media" as well) you've created for yourself an ontology of the world in which it is impossible to claim any knowledge of anything outside your direct field of view. I'm not really sure how you intend us to accomplish much of anything without _some_ ability to trust _someone_ else. And bipartisan agreement from bitter enemies who have little or nothing to gain personally from such statements is about the lowest bar of trust I can imagine.
Re:Technical report on DNC hack [pdf] by hueving on Thursday December 29, 2016 @05:05PM (#13280576)
Politicians stand to gain government expansion when they scare the population.

So it's not nearly as low of a bar as you think. It's like you're claiming we must trust pharmaceutical representatives from competing companies when they both agree that we all need more pills.

Re:Technical report on DNC hack [pdf] by gipp on Thursday December 29, 2016 @05:08PM (#13280589)
Who's expanding what part of government here?
Re:Technical report on DNC hack [pdf] by voxic11 on Thursday December 29, 2016 @06:16PM (#13281072)
Every Democrat and most Republicans?
Re:Technical report on DNC hack [pdf] by grandalf on Thursday December 29, 2016 @10:46PM (#13282361)
The issue is not so much authority, the issue is urgency.

Why is there urgency to rush to judgment about alleged Russian election meddling?

If it happened, then unless anyone thinks the outcome of the election should be reversed, we have four years to get to the bottom of it, take action, and prevent it from happening again.

It's very much reminiscent of the blind urgency to invade Iraq on shaky evidence. Note that one tactic used to get people to act is to create urgency. The simplest example is "this offer expires in 5 minutes..."

It's not so much that I give no credit to any officials as having authority, it's that they all agree on the knee-jerk urgency when there is no apparent need to do so, and none feel obligated to offer a point by point probability assessment of whatever information, inference, or intelligence has them 100% convinced, since the information disclosed so far paints a vague, circumstantial picture.

This sort of elitist disregard for the basic rationality of the public is not something I can stomach, so I simply can't take their assurances at face value.

Re:Technical report on DNC hack [pdf] by tptacek on Thursday December 29, 2016 @05:06PM (#13280584)
That's not what "ranking members" communicates; rather, it suggests that the conclusion transcends partisan politics. That doesn't mean it doesn't succumb to other biases (though I don't think so), but it is a meaningful statement to make.
Re:Technical report on DNC hack [pdf] by grandalf on Thursday December 29, 2016 @10:49PM (#13282372)
I think there is a coalition of peculiarly anti-Russian hawks who have been the most vocal in their opposition to Russia's behavior in Crimea, etc.

This likely transcends party lines in the same way that support for wall street or the oil industry transcends party lines.

Re:Technical report on DNC hack [pdf] by tptacek on Thursday December 29, 2016 @10:55PM (#13282393)
So, that's what I'm saying: that the "ranking members" support the conclusion doesn't dispose of all bias, but it does dispose of the Trump vs. Clinton bias. It's up to you how to weight [Trump vs. Clinton] vs. [Russia vs. US].

But my impression is that [Trump vs. Clinton] is way more powerful than any other bias right now.

Re:Technical report on DNC hack [pdf] by grandalf on Friday December 30, 2016 @12:18AM (#13282697)
> But my impression is that [Trump vs. Clinton] is way more powerful than any other bias right now.

I think this is correct, and largely why the Russia meddling has become more an article of faith than a highly concerning possibility.

Re:Technical report on DNC hack [pdf] by tomp on Thursday December 29, 2016 @04:43PM (#13280403)
Was it any different with Iraq WMD?
Re:Technical report on DNC hack [pdf] by gipp on Thursday December 29, 2016 @04:46PM (#13280429)
Yes. Many, many parts of the intelligence community produced reports contradicting any claims of WMD evidence, and were summarily ignored by a very not-bipartisan administration. There is basically total consensus among every intelligence agency that the evidence points to Russia.
Re:Technical report on DNC hack [pdf] by willstrafach on Thursday December 29, 2016 @08:30PM (#13281821)
Not just ignored, but specifically worked around.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/05/12/selective-intel...

Re:Technical report on DNC hack [pdf] by rogerthis on Thursday December 29, 2016 @07:54PM (#13281651)
Basic sources on the total consensus?
Re:Technical report on DNC hack [pdf] by gipp on Thursday December 29, 2016 @10:17PM (#13282239)
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07/joint-statement-departme...

> The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations.

This is an official joint statement from the USIC, which is an official body composed of 16 different intelligence organizations:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Intelligence_Com...

Re:Technical report on DNC hack [pdf] by Natsu on Friday December 30, 2016 @01:35AM (#13282941)
That report presents no evidence, comes from political appointees, and generally only says that it might be consistent with something Russia would like to do without explaining why.

Also, not sure how the agency count helps anything. Exactly what did agencies like the NRO and Coast Guard contribute here?

Re:Technical report on DNC hack [pdf] by grandalf on Thursday December 29, 2016 @10:55PM (#13282391)
My understanding was that they had agreed on the likely Russian origin of at least one system from which emails were obtained, but that they had disagreed on the motivation for the leaks.