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Re:Bram Moolenaar Discusses Developing Vim, How He Uses It, ... by TeMPOraL on Thursday December 22, 2016 @08:41AM (#13237172)
> but I somehow always prefer a software, where you do things intuitively without needing to first learn a shortcut for everything.

As the quote goes, "The only "intuitive" interface is the nipple. After that it's all learned."

The word you're looking for is "different". Vim (and Emacs) have different shortcuts than what you're used to from Windows. That's because they're much older. Vi and Emacs actually predate those "intuitive" shortcuts of yours.

And like with many things our industry standardized on these days, just because it's popular, doesn't mean it's not utter shit.

Re:Bram Moolenaar Discusses Developing Vim, How He Uses It, ... by bxrxaxdx on Thursday December 22, 2016 @10:41AM (#13237949)
Everyone says that about nipples, but anyone whose had a kid knows that its not always easy for a baby to learn how to latch onto a nipple. It can take a day or two and all they while you are terrified your baby is going to starve.
Re:Bram Moolenaar Discusses Developing Vim, How He Uses It, ... by dorfsmay on Thursday December 22, 2016 @09:58AM (#13237599)
> "The only "intuitive" interface is the nipple. After that it's all learned."

I did not know this saying, thanks. This explains why I cannot work on a GUI without a track point!

Re:Bram Moolenaar Discusses Developing Vim, How He Uses It, ... by Tharkun on Thursday December 22, 2016 @10:48AM (#13238010)
I was thinking the same thing. The trackpoint is the only kind of pointer I enjoy using. Although at one point I had a keyboard with a built-in trackball, that wasn't too bad either.
Re:Bram Moolenaar Discusses Developing Vim, How He Uses It, ... by a3n on Thursday December 22, 2016 @12:32PM (#13238802)
I hate those things! I've never been able to get the desired effect, except almost by accident, just like everything else in life that looks like those things. Total mystery.
Re:Bram Moolenaar Discusses Developing Vim, How He Uses It, ... by TeMPOraL on Thursday December 22, 2016 @10:41PM (#13242654)
Like with everything worthwhile, it takes training :).

I used to scorn trackpoints until my friend told me he's very fond of them - that convinced me to give it a try. They're not bad. Play with one for 5 minutes (to the clock), and you'll be liking them more than touchpads :).

Re:Bram Moolenaar Discusses Developing Vim, How He Uses It, ... by JupiterMoon on Thursday December 22, 2016 @10:48AM (#13238013)
> As the quote goes, "The only "intuitive" interface is the nipple. After that it's all learned."

But many babies have trouble latching and the mother and baby need some assistance with the first few feeds - i.e. even nipples aren't totally intuitive.

Re:Bram Moolenaar Discusses Developing Vim, How He Uses It, ... by greyman on Thursday December 22, 2016 @10:25AM (#13237808)
> Vi and Emacs actually predate those "intuitive" shortcuts of yours.

Yes, but that is different, since in "normal" IDE, I dont need to use shortcuts for everything. In vim, you must learn how to select something, then how to copy it and how to paste it. In an IDE, I just select it with mouse, since in all other software I also select the exact same way, and shortcuts are only ctrl-c ctrl-v. Of course I also use other shortcuts, like F2 and ctrl-F2 for bookmarks, but normally I don't need them for everything.