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Re:How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists by an_account on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @11:53AM (#13221537)
FireWire has been dead for years, it's time for an upgrade.
Re:How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists by beat on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @12:12PM (#13221734)
Firewire is very much alive in my house. Why is it "dead"? Why do I have to upgrade?
Re:How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists by bluejekyll on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @12:45PM (#13222071)
You don't have to upgrade. Don't upgrade... but if you do, there are adapters for you that will allow you to continue using your old gear.
Re:How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists by beat on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @01:44PM (#13222648)
It's not just hardware. Apple has officially abandoned Firewire protocol maintenance. We're okay at the moment, but how many more MacOS upgrades will we have where Firewire still works?

And I'm not an outlier case. There are a lot of audio professionals and semi-pros that depend on old Firewire interfaces. These were Apple's market for selling high-end laptops! This is basically just disregard for your oldest and frankly most profitable customers. If I didn't feel like a new MBP would actually be sacrificing functionality, I'd probably have upgraded already. Instead, I'm considering a platform switch. That's bad.

Re:How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists by guitarbill on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @03:02PM (#13223419)
out of interest, which platform still has better firewire support? most windows laptops don't have them either.

btw, as someone who didn't use firewire, i hated that port. waste of space, could have used an extra usb port instead. and it wasn't like there was a lot of gear that used it, unlike e.g. ethernet or vga which sometimes came in handy (i also loath vga).

Re:How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists by srssays on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @06:12PM (#13225224)
In the beginning, USB1 was no competition for Firewire. 12Mbps vs 400Mbps.

USB2 was more competitive, but Firewire stuck around due to its lower latency for audio applications.

Re:How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists by threeseed on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @05:30PM (#13224841)
FireWire is a EOL technology at this point so why would they be continuing to work on the protocol ?

And actually you aren't Apple's most profitable customer since you are still clamouring for old technologies. It's early adopters that upgrade every year that are the most valuable to Apple.

Re:How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists by dkonofalski on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @02:14PM (#13222937)
They clearly are not Apple's most profitable customers if they're abandoning the tech. If they were Apple's most profitable customers, you'd see Firewire on everything.
Re:How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists by dkonofalski on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @04:36PM (#13224280)
I should clarify that I meant that Apple is abandoning the tech, not the customers.
Re:How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists by threeseed on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @05:25PM (#13224793)
You could replace FireWire in that sentence with LaserDiscs, BetaMax etc. Fact is some technologies just don't take off enough to warrant long term support.