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Re:Egypt has blocked encrypted messaging app Signal by koolba on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @08:37AM (#13219602)
> Is XMPP so bad that nobody wants to do that? If so, why?

No it'd be great but unfortunately the things that make something technically great don't align with the business of acquiring monetizeable users (either directly or indirectly by selling the resulting social graph).

I'm convinced that the only reason we still have email is because it predates walled garden land grabs.

Re:Egypt has blocked encrypted messaging app Signal by narrowrail on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @08:47AM (#13219678)
This discussion has been had on HN so many times, it would be difficult for me to summarize (but easy for one to search via algolia).

Signal's creator runs their own email server, but always points out that 99% of the time, they are communicating with gmail on the other side. This subverts the decentralized nature of email.

XMPP is not a mobile friendly protocol. Even the Matrix.org folks are doing XMPP compatibility, but not implementing XMPP directly. My point is, "don't align with the business of acquiring monetizeable users" is not entirely true, and there are technical reasons (not just business reasons). Everyone with an interest in this problem should be on the same page, and holding overly cynical views about the impediments isn't (IMO) conducive to creating solutions.

Re:Egypt has blocked encrypted messaging app Signal by koolba on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @08:53AM (#13219718)
It doesn't have to be the mobile platform but it could be one interface of many. Having separate XMPP servers acting as the middle men forwarding messages to each other would have been awesome. The last leg delivery from your server to your device could be something else, possibly more optimized for the technical limitations of mobile transit.

We even had a piece of this for a while as Google and I think a couple other messaging providers had XMPP support but it's gradually been killed off.

The "business interests" part of this is that anybody creating a monetizeable user base via a messaging network wouldn't give the opening to others to come in via XMPP. It gives your users a way out and gives your competitors a way in.

Re:Egypt has blocked encrypted messaging app Signal by sliken on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @08:44AM (#13219653)
Not to mention email isn't particularly distributed these days. I don't know the exact percentage, by yahoo, gmail, and microsoft definite host a large majority of the email accounts on the planet.
Re:Egypt has blocked encrypted messaging app Signal by koolba on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @08:55AM (#13219742)
Anyone can register a domain, stand up a server, and start receiving email on it. Sending it a bit trickier as to get past spam filters there's a bit more to it (DKIM, SPF, static IP, etc) but it's still doable.
Re:Egypt has blocked encrypted messaging app Signal by sliken on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @09:42AM (#13220152)
I do it, but do see regular complains that others try and fail. The main problem is getting black holed by the popular email providers.