"We're just wise enough to know that it leads to no good outcome."

I'm middle aged, working with some very young people right now, and I'm having an epiphany, because they are running around like chickens with their heads cut-toff, and I see there's no reason for it, they are equating 'sweat and crunch' with 'value' and making all sorts of mistakes. The epiphany is: they remind me exactly of me at that age!

And they won't take any advice. I mightn't have either ... though I did definitely respect my managers ... and they have none ...

These problems are particularly pernicious when the younger teams have no upper management, or have never worked in larger organizations.

Hopefully, we are starting to realize the value of older devs in some situations and can respect their abilities wherein they are valuable.