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Re:Microsoft, Rebooted, Emerges as a Tech Leader by ocdtrekkie on Friday December 16, 2016 @03:50PM (#13196679)
FWIW, the "ads on the lock screen" thing is a wee overblown. Microsoft is the single-party provider of any of their so called "suggested content". Aka, you saw Tomb Raider not because Square Enix paid to be on the lock screen, but because Microsoft was trying to push that you can get AAA games in the Windows Store. The Surface has been up there, I think they put a movie-related one up once or twice, again, referring you to their own Movies app. And they have no animations, moving bits, or arbitrary code.

They're not targeted ads, so they're not using a data profile on you to power them or anything like that. I wouldn't be surprised if they know how many screens displayed them, but there's not a lot of interaction tracking you can really do with a static lockscreen. So it doesn't have the sort of privacy implications of normal advertising either.

So, while you may not like their choice of wallpaper because it is related to a product they are releasing, it's not really much more egregious than the fact that it downloads daily wallpapers on the lockscreen to begin with: It's all stuff selected specifically by Microsoft. And as others have pointed out, it's really easy to shut off.

Re:Microsoft, Rebooted, Emerges as a Tech Leader by MiddleEndian on Friday December 16, 2016 @05:31PM (#13197500)
>you saw Tomb Raider not because Square Enix paid to be on the lock screen, but because Microsoft was trying to push that you can get AAA games in the Windows Store

I would still consider this to be an ad.

Re:Microsoft, Rebooted, Emerges as a Tech Leader by ocdtrekkie on Saturday December 17, 2016 @12:17AM (#13199362)
I never said it wasn't still an ad. But as I explained, it has essentially none of the problems that are associated with ads. Ergo, complaints about it are more that it offends your special snowflake sensitivity against ads, than that there's an actual problem that needs to be addressed.
Re:Microsoft, Rebooted, Emerges as a Tech Leader by MiddleEndian on Sunday December 18, 2016 @12:32PM (#13206623)
My operating system showing me ads is inherently a problem.
Re:Microsoft, Rebooted, Emerges as a Tech Leader by ocdtrekkie on Sunday December 18, 2016 @05:48PM (#13208188)
In what way? Assuming you've already decided you're okay with rotating wallpapers on your lockscreen downloaded periodically (the only way in which you'll see these "ads"), what is the detrimental effect on your operating system?

We can both agree, I'm sure, that your OS tracking you is a clear problem, and I'm not unable to be convinced on this one here, but I'm going to need to see a line of reasoning on how it harms you.

Re:Microsoft, Rebooted, Emerges as a Tech Leader by MiddleEndian on Monday December 19, 2016 @08:36AM (#13211258)
An ad is inherently antagonistic. It doesn't add to the product I'm using (in this case the operating system); its only function is to try to trick me into buying more things.
Re:Microsoft, Rebooted, Emerges as a Tech Leader by ocdtrekkie on Monday December 19, 2016 @10:05AM (#13211790)
Are you suggesting the mere display of a wallpaper from the latest Tomb Raider game is capable of deception? Of "tricking" you into buying it?
Re:Microsoft, Rebooted, Emerges as a Tech Leader by MiddleEndian on Monday December 19, 2016 @10:42AM (#13212060)
Is it going to trick me in particular? Probably not; I'm not likely to buy that type of game anyway.

Would it be using my computer as a marketing tool to promote a product? Yes. A more obvious example might have been if it said something like "Drink Coke".

It's a banner ad, but now bundled automatically into your machine. Even if banner ads didn't track you, I'd still block them. There's a reason marketers pay for them.

Re:Microsoft, Rebooted, Emerges as a Tech Leader by freehunter on Friday December 16, 2016 @06:59PM (#13198021)
Not any more than "upgrade to Windows 7 Pro to access these features" that they've had for years.
Re:Microsoft, Rebooted, Emerges as a Tech Leader by MiddleEndian on Friday December 16, 2016 @07:31PM (#13198210)
I'd consider that an unacceptable ad as well, but I've never had 7 Home.