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Re:Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San ... by stickfigure on Thursday December 15, 2016 @12:34AM (#13182678)
these cars running red lights

I watched quite the opposite problem the other day. Uber self-driving car pulled up to a red light on a busy intersection, in the left turn lane. The light turned green. I could tell that the car was in self-driving mode because it didn't step into the intersection like humans would do - not even slightly. The opposing traffic never let up enough to make a left turn, so the car stayed put, even through the yellow. Poor thing skipped a complete green light cycle. I think I heard a horn from some of the drivers backed up behind it.

Self-driving cars might be a little too polite.

Re:Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San ... by cmurf on Thursday December 15, 2016 @01:18AM (#13182827)
Humans do this also. It makes me wonder what the driver did before left turn arrows were common. In driver's ed, i was tought to pull into the intersection blocking the right lane of perpendicular traffic (to my left), the lane just after the crosswalk. A surprising number of people don't pull up at all.
Re:Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San ... by Shank on Thursday December 15, 2016 @04:01AM (#13183351)
As a new driver, I would much, much rather play it safe if I'm unfamiliar with the intersection & traffic flow than pull out. Does it seem silly to you? Probably. To me? No. I don't want to be caught in an intersection that I'm not supposed to be in when the light turns red.
Re:Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San ... by nixy on Thursday December 15, 2016 @05:09AM (#13183572)
But a green light allows you, even as you're turning left, to enter the intersection. The light lets you in to the intersection so that you can leave it when conditions are favorable to do so.
Re:Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San ... by dllthomas on Thursday December 15, 2016 @10:55AM (#13185402)
Assuming there is space for you in your destination lane.
Re:Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San ... by rfrey on Thursday December 15, 2016 @06:42AM (#13183916)
In Toronto where I live, you'd better pack a lunch if you have any left turns on your route. Probably supper, too.
Re:Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San ... by metafunctor on Thursday December 15, 2016 @05:35AM (#13183659)
Pardon me if this sounds rude, but where did you learn to drive? I was taught in driving school that you are supposed to pull up when turning left at an intersection with lights but no left turn arrow.
Re:Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San ... by serge2k on Thursday December 15, 2016 @02:33PM (#13187456)
I think a lot of people don't like doing it because it feels wrong to be in the intersection and turning on a red, assuming you get stuck and turn on the red.

I got told by the instructor on my test to pull out into the intersection.

Re:Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San ... by serge2k on Thursday December 15, 2016 @02:31PM (#13187440)
It's what you are supposed to do. Pull in to the intersection and wait until you have a gap to turn. Other cars have the right of way, but are supposed to (yeah right) yield to you when the light turns yellow. Even if they don't you are in the intersection so you just go when safe (even if you have to wait for the red).
Re:Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San ... by andygates on Thursday December 15, 2016 @06:37AM (#13183890)
The Goog mentioned in one of their progress reports that this was a thing, and that they'd be tweaking their code to nose forward the way humans do.
Re:Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San ... by euyyn on Thursday December 15, 2016 @12:55AM (#13182755)
Imagine the poor Google koala car in the streets around Union Square...
Re:Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San ... by serge2k on Thursday December 15, 2016 @02:30PM (#13187426)
> I could tell that the car was in self-driving mode because it didn't step into the intersection like humans would do - not even slightly.

So it's a bad driver.