Re:New NIST password guidelines: don't require character typ...
by kbart on Wednesday December 14, 2016 @02:09AM
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MFA is not a magic solution to all problems either. You can't expect me to give my phone number or real email address to every random site I login into.
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Re:New NIST password guidelines: don't require character typ...
by CiPHPerCoder on Wednesday December 14, 2016 @03:08AM
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You don't need to do that for HOTP/TOTP though.
1. Scan a QR code.
2. You now have a secret value that can generate a deterministic pseudorandom integer securely indefinitely.
Also, SMS-based MFA should be burned to the ground.
Re:New NIST password guidelines: don't require character typ...
by AstralStorm on Wednesday December 14, 2016 @04:03AM
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Scanning a QR code by hand is easy when you don't have the phone handy. (sarcasm)
Actual OTP should allow you to print out or write down a set of codes.
Re:New NIST password guidelines: don't require character typ...
by CiPHPerCoder on Wednesday December 14, 2016 @08:11AM
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> Scanning a QR code by hand is easy when you don't have the phone handy. (sarcasm)
That's way different from "I don't want to give out my phone number".
Re:New NIST password guidelines: don't require character typ...
by user5994461 on Thursday December 15, 2016 @08:34AM
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Both are impossible when not having a phone.
Re:New NIST password guidelines: don't require character typ...
by CiPHPerCoder on Thursday December 15, 2016 @11:56AM
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It's non sequitur.
"I have a phone number but don't want to give it out" is different than "I don't have a phone".
But hey, there are 2FA devices you can use instead.
Re:New NIST password guidelines: don't require character typ...
by jon-wood on Wednesday December 14, 2016 @04:31AM
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This is why I'm a big fan of the U2F standard, which allows a device (generally a small USB/NFC device) to generate shared secrets for arbitrary services without exposing any personal information.
Re:New NIST password guidelines: don't require character typ...
by Spooky23 on Wednesday December 14, 2016 @09:20AM
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Think about this problem in context with the NIST trust level framework.
Nobody gives a shit about low trust environments... go ahead and crack my slashdot account, but higher trust stuff like mail, money, network access etc absolutely need MFA.
Re:New NIST password guidelines: don't require character typ...
by kbart on Wednesday December 14, 2016 @09:33AM
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That's my point. MFA itself is certainly a very useful security solution (for example, I wouldn't trust a bank that doesn't use it), but "MFA everywhere" is not a way to go, because I value my privacy more than some useless Internet account.