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Re:New NIST password guidelines: don't require character typ... by kbart on Wednesday December 14, 2016 @02:09AM (#13174374)
MFA is not a magic solution to all problems either. You can't expect me to give my phone number or real email address to every random site I login into.
Re:New NIST password guidelines: don't require character typ... by CiPHPerCoder on Wednesday December 14, 2016 @03:08AM (#13174555)
You don't need to do that for HOTP/TOTP though.

1. Scan a QR code.

2. You now have a secret value that can generate a deterministic pseudorandom integer securely indefinitely.

Also, SMS-based MFA should be burned to the ground.

Re:New NIST password guidelines: don't require character typ... by AstralStorm on Wednesday December 14, 2016 @04:03AM (#13174695)
Scanning a QR code by hand is easy when you don't have the phone handy. (sarcasm)

Actual OTP should allow you to print out or write down a set of codes.

Re:New NIST password guidelines: don't require character typ... by CiPHPerCoder on Wednesday December 14, 2016 @08:11AM (#13175676)
> Scanning a QR code by hand is easy when you don't have the phone handy. (sarcasm)

That's way different from "I don't want to give out my phone number".

Re:New NIST password guidelines: don't require character typ... by user5994461 on Thursday December 15, 2016 @08:34AM (#13184444)
Both are impossible when not having a phone.
Re:New NIST password guidelines: don't require character typ... by CiPHPerCoder on Thursday December 15, 2016 @11:56AM (#13186002)
It's non sequitur.

"I have a phone number but don't want to give it out" is different than "I don't have a phone".

But hey, there are 2FA devices you can use instead.

Re:New NIST password guidelines: don't require character typ... by jon-wood on Wednesday December 14, 2016 @04:31AM (#13174801)
This is why I'm a big fan of the U2F standard, which allows a device (generally a small USB/NFC device) to generate shared secrets for arbitrary services without exposing any personal information.
Re:New NIST password guidelines: don't require character typ... by Spooky23 on Wednesday December 14, 2016 @09:20AM (#13176080)
Think about this problem in context with the NIST trust level framework.

Nobody gives a shit about low trust environments... go ahead and crack my slashdot account, but higher trust stuff like mail, money, network access etc absolutely need MFA.

Re:New NIST password guidelines: don't require character typ... by kbart on Wednesday December 14, 2016 @09:33AM (#13176167)
That's my point. MFA itself is certainly a very useful security solution (for example, I wouldn't trust a bank that doesn't use it), but "MFA everywhere" is not a way to go, because I value my privacy more than some useless Internet account.
Re:New NIST password guidelines: don't require character typ... by petters on Wednesday December 14, 2016 @02:58AM (#13174528)
A security key should work.