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Re:China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon by 3pt14159 on Tuesday December 13, 2016 @11:54AM (#13168251)
English is a strange language, but I wouldn't say especially difficult. Chinese is much harder to learn because it's so inconsistent between what you're supposed to say and the way people actually talk. In addition to using tones that are very unfamiliar and then you also need to learn the written language which is very difficult and requires a Chinese-Chinese dictionary for strange words like manticore and sometimes you can't even find them.

I'd put English at around Russian difficulty, hard, but easy to get going. English also has the advantage of having a simple character set (less letters than Russian, French, etc) and English also has a ton of cultural artefacts (songs, movies, etc) to sink your teeth into.

My problem with Russian (unlike say, French, which I've also studied) is that I can't even find music to listen to that's anywhere close in production value to English and there are a couple of good movies (Leviathan, for example) but you can only watch them so many times. I don't know of a single Russian TV show that is anywhere close to HBO or Netflix quality. I'd love a recommendation though if someone here knows of one.

Re:China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon by solidsnack9000 on Wednesday December 14, 2016 @12:06AM (#13173989)
English does have a great many more sounds than Chinese, and very complicated grammar relative to any Asian language. (The tones make up, to some degree, for the paucity of sounds in Chinese.)

A native English speaker, I have always been perplexed by the tendency of foreigners to use "the" incorrectly. A space ship orbits "the Earth" but not "the Mars", for example. But then I tried to find a guide to using "the"...it is one of our most mysterious words.

Re:China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon by 3pt14159 on Wednesday December 14, 2016 @09:31AM (#13176155)
It has more vowels (and more frequent consonants), but tone doesn't change the word in English. It can change the meaning (denote sarcasm, sadness, or questioning) but using a higher or lower pitch doesn't change the way you'd write out the word. Remembering tones is like adding imaginary numbers to your math, it's something you never thought about that you need to now account for everywhere. Learning new individual sounds is hard (and I have to do it with Russian) but I don't think it's as hard as the tone business in Chinese.

As for filler words in English: I totally agree it's madness. The word "set" has like 20 definitions. But you can mess them up and people will still understand you. "I break into car" (the way a Russian learning English would say it) vs "I'll break into the car" are both understood the same; whereas in Chinese if I mess up a (to my ears minor) tone, the information is completely lost.

Re:China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon by solidsnack9000 on Wednesday December 14, 2016 @01:04PM (#13178145)
Tonality and use of filler words are not really relatable.

Mistaken tonality is more like saying "tree" instead of "three".

Tonality is another feature of a speech sound like aspiration or voicing. Although it is not easy for English speakers, there no reason in principle to single it out as especially difficult.

Re:China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon by devdas on Wednesday December 14, 2016 @01:05AM (#13174185)
For speakers of languages without articles, using articles is mostly without rhyme or reason.
Re:China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon by guard-of-terra on Tuesday December 13, 2016 @02:16PM (#13169798)
I can try and guide you around good Russian music, drop me an email to alamar at my.com or friend ilyak on last.fm - that's me. Note that I'm a fan of all things DIY, production value doesn't mean as much to me as actual content.

Regarding movies, you can always go for a huge layer of Soviet films. They take some using to I suppose, but then the supply is endless.

Re:China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon by abalashov on Tuesday December 13, 2016 @01:52PM (#13169503)
Have you considered Soviet film? Pronunciation is usually very clear.