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Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by sandworm101 on Sunday December 11, 2016 @07:24PM (#13154493)
Anyone who thinks they can disconnect from "the news" is kidding themselves. Unless you do the whole hermit thing, you are influences. Not watching CNN won't prevent other CNN-watchers from talking to you. Reading only paperback novels won't stop their authors, who also read newspapers, from influencing you.

Politics is everywhere. Take star trek. We all know the basic stories, and the thematic changes over the years. They map to changes in US politics. Even at home watching DVDs, you are engaged and influenced.

Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by jomohke on Sunday December 11, 2016 @10:13PM (#13155212)
It sounds like you're taking it as an absolutist argument ("Why try to avoid refined sugar? It's everywhere, so you're always going to ingest some anyway.")

> Not watching CNN won't prevent other CNN-watchers from talking to you.

I think a conversation with a CNN-watcher is more interesting when you yourself have read slower sources than if you have both spent your time watching live broadcasts or reading live articles. You'll find you both have different kinds of points to bring to the conversation.

I've found a large difference between the daily (or 24-hour) sources and weekly/monthly publications. The latter are more removed from the day to day events, and so tend to spend more time on the issue itself and wider trends, and less on personality clashes or rare, once-off outlier events (which by definition, you don't need to be worried about^[1]). Relying mainly on them, you'll have heard less about what has happened in the last 24 hours, but likely know more about the major events and wider trends of the past year. The daily sources are particularly bad at portraying those wider trends: they will show a violent crime every night regardless of whether a hundred or only ten occurred.

[1]. The truly significant outlier events will still be covered by the slower news cycle and in normal daily conversations. There's no risk of not knowing that a 9/11 happened. I haven't found that it matters if I don't know about the latest disaster immediately: to the contrary, a conversation can be stronger when the other person explains in their own words what has happened, and I can ask questions with genuine interest.

Note that he's not advocating being oblivious to the world. See the third paragraph:

> To be clear, I’m mostly talking about following TV and internet newscasts here. This post isn’t an indictment of journalism as a whole. There’s a big difference between watching a half hour of CNN’s refugee crisis coverage (not that they cover it anymore) versus spending that time reading a 5,000-word article on the same topic.

Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by hrxn on Sunday December 11, 2016 @10:59PM (#13155414)
> [..] There’s a big difference between watching a half hour of CNN’s refugee crisis coverage (not that they cover it anymore) versus spending that time reading a 5,000-word article on the same topic.

In my opinion, in some cases like this, the lengthy thousands word articles are often much worse.

Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by jomohke on Monday December 12, 2016 @12:21AM (#13155758)
Can you give an example? I suspect you're referring to the same short-term ones the author is deriding, not the journalistic kind that take time to research and prepare.
Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by hrxn on Monday December 12, 2016 @06:19AM (#13157267)
Not a specific one, I meant more generally. My point is that length alone isn't a reliable indicator for (journalistic) quality.

It is, to some extend. Long articles, with obvious effort for research etc., are more likely to be better than short pieces that for the most part are just commentary, on average at least.

But this is not a causational relationship. I've read long essays where you could easily tell the tremendous amount of work put into them, but then I did some research on my own and found out that the premisses are extremely dubious. And so the whole thing just collapses..

Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by masondixon on Monday December 12, 2016 @05:44AM (#13157147)
I agree. All TV and film writers whether intentional or not, inject their politics and morality into their work.

Its something that takes many years to realise and fully appreciate.