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Re:My Pixel has a manufacturing defect by Fnoord on Saturday December 10, 2016 @09:29AM (#13145763)
> If Google wants to charge Apple iPhone prices, they can't continue with Google level service.

This differs per jurisdiction, but in general you are entitled by law to receive a working device without flaws. In my jurisdiction this even extends beyond warranty. For example, you can expect a car, a door, or a guitar to work beyond 2 years. This law is irregardless of what you paid for the product or what the perceived quality is. The law even extends to software updates (security & reliability fixes).

As for Apple, they managed to ship my MBP 2010 with a broken discrete GPU yet fail to replace it. They also try to scam customers into buying extended warranty which basically is an anti harassment tax.

Re:My Pixel has a manufacturing defect by wyager on Saturday December 10, 2016 @10:34AM (#13146070)
Does this apply in the US? I'm only aware of mandatory warranty periods in the EU. Personally I think they're a bad thing overall, since they preclude inexpensive short-term-use or disposable electronics. I haven't done a thorough market survey or anything, but last time I was there, electronics were generally much more expensive than in the US.
Re:My Pixel has a manufacturing defect by vinay427 on Saturday December 10, 2016 @11:20AM (#13146322)
Keep in mind the VAT is also includes by law in the price in EU countries. This is almost never the case in the US where sales tax (~ 0%-10%) is added on top of the listed price.
Re:My Pixel has a manufacturing defect by Fnoord on Saturday December 10, 2016 @01:30PM (#13147054)
> but last time I was there, electronics were generally much more expensive than in the US.

There are various factors:

* VAT is always included unless (if its aimed at business solely, like IBM, then this doesn't seem to be the case, but then that is being mentioned)

* Relatively low EUR. The EUR also isn't doing so well compared to the USD.

* Storage tax. This to compensate the entertainment industry.

* Environmental taxes.

The price you see in store is the price you're gonna pay (excluding S&H but the seller has to inform you on that before the sale is finalized). I find that practical.

> since they preclude inexpensive short-term-use or disposable electronics.

Which I consider a great thing because its better for the environment (although not good enough).

I'm not interested in buying a new phone every year because the software isn't updated anymore, or because the battery isn't allowing me to use the phone for a whole day anymore.

That's why -after burning myself with various cheap and expensive brands- I got myself a Fairphone. No, it isn't perfect and it won't run the latest version of Android, but at least it will have all security & reliability fixes backported. Monthly. At the very least its a step in the right direction, and the Fairphone is leading by example.

Re:My Pixel has a manufacturing defect by vinay427 on Saturday December 10, 2016 @02:25PM (#13147383)
> but last time I was there, electronics were generally much more expensive than in the US.

> * Relatively low EUR. The EUR also isn't doing so well compared to the USD.

For a non-Euro holder visiting Europe, doesn't that mean things are cheaper in Euro [the currency] countries? Most companies do not adjust the price of their products often.

Re:My Pixel has a manufacturing defect by shakna on Saturday December 10, 2016 @11:09AM (#13146279)
They exist in Australia, too. And electronics are more expensive, but so is everything.