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Re:My search for a MacBook Pro alternative by Spooky23 on Friday December 09, 2016 @08:03PM (#13143323)
You're spot on here.

I've been critical and bitchy about Apple of late, but they make the best laptops in the world, period. Just the touchpad alone tells the story.

People claim that they need to do all sorts of things to justify 32GB laptops or running a dozen VMs. I don't see any evidence that these people really exist in significant numbers.

Re:My search for a MacBook Pro alternative by caconym_ on Friday December 09, 2016 @09:32PM (#13143663)
> People claim that they need to do all sorts of things to justify 32GB laptops or running a dozen VMs. I don't see any evidence that these people really exist in significant numbers.

I agree. Especially for programmers, I understand needing beefy specs if you have super heavy compiler workloads and/or do heavy GPU work, but how many people is that really? And wouldn't most such people prefer a desktop anyway?

I am a software engineer and my personal machine is the supposedly ultra-wimpy 12" Macbook, and I love it. It legitimately handles every workload I throw at it (including running multiple VMs) and it's so tiny and portable that it's basically a zero-cost proposition to take it everywhere I go, which is amazing. To me, sacrificing convenience for spec-sheet wankery is just silly, but I've met a lot of people who I think would probably disagree with that, like it's some badge of nerd honor to be walking around with a 5 lb brick of RAM that's rarely if ever going to be more than 1/4 utilized.

I am not super stoked about the touch bar business, though. It seems like a solution in search of a problem; the main draw of Apple laptops for me has been their refined execution and lack of gimmickry. I am glad that my machine dodged that bullet.

Re:My search for a MacBook Pro alternative by rockdoe on Saturday December 10, 2016 @10:22PM (#13149420)
And wouldn't most such people prefer a desktop anyway?

Well yes in terms of specs and performance, but you can't take that with you. If you do GPU work you'll really want a discrete GPU with a complete featureset. Some people were complaining about the new MacBooks having AMD cards, I presume because most DL frameworks perform best with (or in some sad cases only support) CUDA libraries.

Re:My search for a MacBook Pro alternative by pdog on Friday December 09, 2016 @08:24PM (#13143430)
Especially since memory paging is no longer an issue. The solid-state drives in these laptops are fast enough to read and write several gigabytes of memory per second.
Re:My search for a MacBook Pro alternative by dguaraglia on Friday December 09, 2016 @09:48PM (#13143712)
I tend to agree with you, until you start using Scala and IntelliJ. That will use every ounce of processor and memory it can put its grubby mits on. For normal web development (favorite editor + running some framework) even a MacBook will do.
Re:My search for a MacBook Pro alternative by stormbrew on Friday December 09, 2016 @09:26PM (#13143646)
You're making the mistake of trying to translate individual people's unmet needs with some kind of marketing scoreboard. If you need those things, it doesn't really matter to you if there's one of you or a million, it's still a problem.
Re:My search for a MacBook Pro alternative by Spooky23 on Friday December 09, 2016 @10:54PM (#13143931)
Not at all. Hell I work with some poor souls toiling with some Oracle monstrosity that need 64GB of RAM to work. I get it. My employer is massive, these guys literally are 7/200000 people with that need. Even GIS people don't really have it -- most of them are using circa 2012 MacBook pros with windows virtualization.

The teeth-gnashing and stream of navel gazing blog posts that you see on many tech forums on the topic is 98% nonsense.

If you are in fact the mythical creature who needs a 32/64GB workstation on your laptop, you have a problem unless you make some very significant sacrifices. You need a "mobile workstation" from Dell/Lenovo/HP, and you're essentially giving up major aspects of portability to do so.

Re:My search for a MacBook Pro alternative by spronkey on Saturday December 10, 2016 @04:53AM (#13144923)
Would you have said the same about 8GB three years ago?

Because that's how long these machines have to last, realistically. And I'll bet that 16GB in three years will feel pretty cramped for a lot of higher end users.