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Re:Ask HN: Maybe I kind of suck as a programmer – how do I s... by mamcx on Friday December 09, 2016 @06:18PM (#13142738)
Do you know when some naive people claim that build a "simple CRUD app" is easy, but a OS or a Database engine or a Game engine or Language or Super-Cool-Algo_performace-magnificence or Super-Science-thingy is hard?

All of them are super-wrong.

All of them are long, hard projects. All of them requiere specific skills, that maybe are hard to know because you don't find much info about how do them (for example, I haven't find good enough, simple material in how build a relational engine).

But do it are easy. Because the "science" behind them is more SETTLED. Is just niche.

> YapDatabase, Audiobus, or AudioKit

I don't know them, but it look the same as the things I'm talking about. I LOVED to have the time or funding to devote to this kind of projects and living from them (ie: I want to build a relational language.)

IN CONTRAST

The most "simple" apps, are HARD TO DO.

Them are easy projects, but DO THEM is harder. The specs are unclear, you can't rely in a cool algo that solve most of it, you can't relly in a big, large, solid foundation, you NEED TO BUILD AND PULL from several sources in how do them.

Rocket Science is "solved", but you can waste months trying to finally know what the hell is necessary to build that e-commerce website.

Just look at the madness with JS. Is now easier doing assembler than that.

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So, I mean that the human factors are the uncertain nature of most software projects are a higher burden that the actual "hard" projects.

Re:Ask HN: Maybe I kind of suck as a programmer – how do I s... by rakmial on Friday December 09, 2016 @09:05PM (#13143577)
I'm not extremely experienced, but it's hard not to agree here. I work with neural networks primarily, but I've had to start learning working with JS for interactive visualization. In short, compared to neural networks, it's a giant nightmare.
Re:Ask HN: Maybe I kind of suck as a programmer – how do I s... by bmh100 on Saturday December 10, 2016 @12:57PM (#13146866)
What do you mean by "relational language"? I'm imagining SQL when you say that, but I guess you have something different in mind. You've piqued my interest.
Re:Ask HN: Maybe I kind of suck as a programmer – how do I s... by mamcx on Sunday December 11, 2016 @06:55PM (#13154329)
This is probably the most clear example of that:

http://www.try-alf.org/blog/2013-10-21-relations-as-first-cl...

Before I found this, most talk was at the more theoretical level and about:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Manifesto

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However, I learn first FoxPro. Is more closer to my own idea (in fact, is what I'm after!) because is practical and is proven... yet the xbase family of languages fade in obscurity for weird reasons (http://wiki.c2.com/?ExBase talk about some and MS killing both Visual Basic and Visual FoxPro because .NET, making the the death of the most popular and practical) without any modern undertaking.

This make a huge community of developers that, I suspect, left the market (without citation because is my experience in my local market) because more "normal" languages are not as appealing as database-oriented languages. In fact, despite I love python/delphi as the most productive languages I have used, none is closer to Fox in the area of database-based apps. Is just another league.