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Re:Can CO2 be given value by using it to make plastics? by Sharlin on Thursday December 08, 2016 @09:01AM (#13130272)
Given the current solar boom, we'll probably end up using the same energy source that plants use. Perhaps even a chemical process similar to photosynthesis.
Re:Can CO2 be given value by using it to make plastics? by dogma1138 on Thursday December 08, 2016 @09:51AM (#13130586)
It's still would be more effective to use biomass to sequester the CO2 and then make biopolymers than it's to use an artificial process.

Also solar has it's own carbon footprint, and not as small as people think.

The raw materials for these panels are mined, transported, the factories in China that make those panels use likely coal as their primary energy source, then the panels are transported again and again and again, and finally installed and maintained by people who likely don't show up to work in an EV.

You need to be very careful abstracting the true carbon footprint of anything and sadly too many people seem to ignore this fact.

Just because the item you buy and it's use is environmentally friendly it doesn't mean that the supply chain is.

Re:Can CO2 be given value by using it to make plastics? by andrewtbham on Thursday December 08, 2016 @09:56AM (#13130621)
This solar has a carbon footprint argument is absurd. If you used this logic we would never have renewable energy because it creates a chicken and egg problem. It would only make sense if the amount of energy used to produce solar panels exceeded the amount of energy it produced over it's lifetime, which is not the case.
Re:Can CO2 be given value by using it to make plastics? by dogma1138 on Thursday December 08, 2016 @12:31PM (#13132119)
No it's not an absurd argument, you need to understand the actual carbon footprint for the entire supply chain.

In this case you can easily end up releasing more carbon by building the solar panels and all the machinery needed for sequestering the CO2 than you can actually effectively sequester within the effectively lifespan of your machinery.

You also need to take into account in the cost since each dollar (or any other unit of currency) has a carbon footprint on it's own based on the economy it was generated in.

There is a good reason why some things are not effective, viable or just plain stupid, otherwise you end up planning your freaking solar roadways or worse building them.

Re:Can CO2 be given value by using it to make plastics? by maxerickson on Thursday December 08, 2016 @10:24AM (#13130826)
It does make a lot of sense to examine the expected EROI when installing them though. Buying power from the other side of a mountain might be a lot greener than installing solar panels in your own backyard (that probably requires much of the transmission infrastructure to already exist, but a lot of transmission infrastructure already exists).
Re:Can CO2 be given value by using it to make plastics? by ZeroGravitas on Thursday December 08, 2016 @02:51PM (#13133595)
A carbon fee system takes care of most of this.

The guy that commutes in a coal rolling SUV pays more so he stops and buys an EV pickup instead.

The coal burning power station that he charges it with pays more so they get replaced with gas or solar or wind.

The company that ships the panels chooses between different shipping methods based on price, which includes a cost of carbon.

And so on. The magic of free markets (I'll end this sentence early since we're not doing politics this week.