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Re:Google News Should Remove Paywall and forced adblock remo... by ocdtrekkie on Wednesday December 07, 2016 @08:39AM (#13122395)
Google has the opposite goal. Since their primary income is ad revenue, they have absolutely zero incentive to improve the experience for ad blockers. As long as your goal is to deny both paying for and seeing ads for content, don't expect anyone to make your life easier, because you're leeching off everyone else.
Re:Google News Should Remove Paywall and forced adblock remo... by blowski on Wednesday December 07, 2016 @08:57AM (#13122504)
Agreed. I can see why they would demote sites with terrible advertising (especially if it generates them no revenue). But not why they would encourage adblocking in general.
Re:Google News Should Remove Paywall and forced adblock remo... by johnnyfaehell on Wednesday December 07, 2016 @09:07AM (#13122573)
Sites with terrible advertising is literally the only reason I'm using an ad-blocker. If those sites had an ad free option for reasonably cheap I would just pay for those specific sites to be ad free.
Re:Google News Should Remove Paywall and forced adblock remo... by ocdtrekkie on Wednesday December 07, 2016 @10:23AM (#13123147)
That may be the excuse you give, but be away that by supporting or using ad blockers, you're feeding a toxic force on the Internet, and drastically hurting good journalism.

Check out Troy Hunt's experience, with his ridiculously unobjectionable sponsor scheme, and the fact that ad blockers have gone out of their way to explicitly block it anyways: https://www.troyhunt.com/ad-blockers-are-part-of-the-problem...

Even if you believe you only use the ad blocker because of terrible advertisers, you're likely harming legitimate ones as much or more.

Re:Google News Should Remove Paywall and forced adblock remo... by patates on Wednesday December 07, 2016 @01:52PM (#13125085)
Just tell me in your web site kindly and unobtrusively that you need ads to survive and that you'd hand-picked ads which are not animated and respect privacy of your visitors. You'll immediately get an exception.
Re:Google News Should Remove Paywall and forced adblock remo... by ocdtrekkie on Wednesday December 07, 2016 @02:14PM (#13125276)
Websites need ads (or subs) to survive. The default setting you operate on should not be to starve them, and you should not need them to tell you that before you act. If you were not blocking by default, and only blocked when a site was particularly invasive, your position would be far more defensible.
Re:Google News Should Remove Paywall and forced adblock remo... by patates on Wednesday December 07, 2016 @03:33PM (#13125964)
If showing flashing ads wouldn't have been causing me seizures and if that it weren't the norm to show that kind of ads, what you said could work.

Also why am I paying for something without seeing what it is?

"Here's our content, maybe help us keep producing it by showing our promisedly sane ads?"

I buy a subscription or show ads to 90% of the web sites I visit more than a couple of times per month, as long as they offer them.

Re:Google News Should Remove Paywall and forced adblock remo... by jerf on Wednesday December 07, 2016 @09:11AM (#13122595)
Does Google advertising offer paywalls and forced adblocking services? Or does the presence of a paywall and forced adblocking tend to imply the use of something other than Google ads? (Honest questions; I have never used any advertising and have no idea what they currently offer.)

Depending on the answer to those questions, it may be the case that knocking those sites out of the feed would statistically drive revenue to sites more likely to use Google's ads, in a way that would give them total plausible (if not simply "true") deniability.

Re:Google News Should Remove Paywall and forced adblock remo... by ocdtrekkie on Wednesday December 07, 2016 @10:21AM (#13123128)
Sites use a pretty complicated pile of ad networks sometimes to try and get the best bang for their buck. You may not always see the same ad network ad in the same box. And something that detects adblockers could run with any of the above.