Re:Apache Ivy – any future or is it also going to be retired?
by snuxoll on Monday December 05, 2016 @02:22PM
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What's the opposition to simply writing a Maven plugin versus tossing a bunch of extra logic in your build configuration? I understand there's some extra ceremony around it (you have to write a new project, publish the plugin to a maven repo or install it in your local .m2) - but I find it's a much cleaner and reusable solution than having a bunch of custom tasks dangling around build scripts.
Re:Apache Ivy – any future or is it also going to be retired?
by vroombaprime on Monday December 05, 2016 @02:34PM
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The custom tasks are never reusable - they are specific to that one build. If they ARE reusable they become gradle plugins, same as in maven.
Effort of banging out a custom task to make a tar in a particular way and get it published: gradle=a few lines of groovy, maven=a full plugin in java?
To be fair my maven experience is the lowest of all (between gradle/ant/make/maven), but I was being honest in that I would never want to go back to maven (or ant) - I get more things done faster in gradle.
What MrBuddyCasino mentioned about mediocre teams though, that is a real risk. I'd nominate one or two skilled people to create and maintain it, but be sure to crosstrain and use comments liberally. The initial learning curve on gradle can be brutal for complex projects.
* custom tasks AND up-to-date checks for them (for when you invariably need special tasks like custom generated code, filtering only some resources in a certain way, calling other build systems like grunt/gulp, etc)
* up-to-date checks in general
* better task exclusions
* better dependency version resolution abilities, including custom strategies
* groovy syntax
Things I think maven does better that matter to me:
* classifier handling (it is really frustrating gradle still has a lot of messed up handling of them)
* way less magic is possible in the buildscript - makes it easier to trace through
End result: I could never go back to maven, every single project I've worked on has desired custom tasks and maven just makes it painful every step of the way. The only thing I worry about in gradle is making things easy to understand so someone else can follow behind - can't use too much magic.