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Re:This AI Boom Will Also Bust by RushAndAPush on Saturday December 03, 2016 @02:25PM (#13097078)
> I doubt you'll get that, because nobody thinks that progress in machine learning will stop.

Robin Hansen is notoriously skeptical about the possibility that Deep Learning can make real gains. He for some reason thinks brain emulation is more likely to make large progress in AI.

>An AI winter doesn't mean that progress stops.

It doesn't completely stop, but progress would be at a snails pace.

> The hype then dies down. Research continues, though, until enough progress is made that machine learning starts to produce results that excite the public again, and the cycle goes into another hype phase.

I think we as a community may need to take a good long look at the hype cycle theory and be skeptical it has any merit.

Re:This AI Boom Will Also Bust by bunderbunder on Saturday December 03, 2016 @03:54PM (#13097446)
I don't know that I'm positing any sort of formal theory, just describing a pattern that's been going on for decades now. I'd suggest that unless something fundamental changes, there's a reasonable chance that it will keep on going that way.

Progress in machine learning has never been at a snails pace. What has happened at times is that the futurists of the world stop making breathless pronouncements about machine learning, and that creates a public perception that things are going slowly.

Case in point: Deep learning really isn't anything revolutionary or new. I first started noticing papers about stuff that now falls under the "deep learning" catchphrase about 15 years ago. Not because it started then, but because that's when I started reading that sort of thing. During that time, there's been relatively constant, steady progress being made. But you wouldn't know it unless you had been following the literature, which not many people do. And all of this happened at a time when everyone was convinced that neural nets were dead and support vector machines were the way of the future.

As far as Robin Hansen's skepticism about deep learning getting us to true artificial intelligence, meh. A technology doesn't need to make Ray Kurzweil's eyes roll back in his head for it to be useful.

Re:This AI Boom Will Also Bust by dwaltrip on Saturday December 03, 2016 @04:25PM (#13097569)
Brain emulation? I didn't realize people seriously thought that could be good for anything other than research and investigation.

If we can successfully emulate the brain, it seems we would have necessarily acquired the knowledge needed to build models that are very powerful without having to exactly mimic the brain.

Re:This AI Boom Will Also Bust by Jach on Saturday December 03, 2016 @07:34PM (#13098202)
See Hanson's http://ageofem.com/
Re:This AI Boom Will Also Bust by dwaltrip on Monday December 05, 2016 @03:05PM (#13108909)
I keep hearing great things about that book. Thanks for the link, maybe it is time to pick up a copy.