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Re:Notes from November 28 Meetup of Bay Area Tech Solidarity by tedunangst on Friday December 02, 2016 @04:24AM (#13087262)
How does that explain winning states like PA, which voted for Gore in 2000 by 4%?
Re:Notes from November 28 Meetup of Bay Area Tech Solidarity by tptacek on Friday December 02, 2016 @08:22AM (#13088310)
White voters in PA that voted for Obama last cycle were 2-3x more likely to stay home than to vote against HRC.
Re:Notes from November 28 Meetup of Bay Area Tech Solidarity by tedunangst on Friday December 02, 2016 @12:12PM (#13090350)
That's a tough stat to parse. Where did you find that?

Sounds contradictory to http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/15/upshot/how-did-trump-win-o... for instance, but that's a bit older. Maybe I missed something.

Re:Notes from November 28 Meetup of Bay Area Tech Solidarity by tptacek on Friday December 02, 2016 @12:21PM (#13090434)
Put more simply: Trump didn't convert Democrat "white working class" voters in PA, so much as they abstained from the election altogether. The middle class didn't vote Trump in; they sat the whole thing out.
Re:Notes from November 28 Meetup of Bay Area Tech Solidarity by mc32 on Friday December 02, 2016 @12:52PM (#13090722)
(Some) Dems reps in W. Pa. while possibly mistaken have said differently. They mentioned people switching party reg[1] among other things.

[1]http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/10/12/nearly-100000-penn...

Re:Notes from November 28 Meetup of Bay Area Tech Solidarity by tedunangst on Friday December 02, 2016 @01:41PM (#13091113)
Trump got way more votes than Romney did, nearly as many as Obama 2012, despite considerably more third party votes. Overall turnout was higher than 2012 too.

So theory is Trump mobilized a ton of voters who sat out in 2012?

Re:Notes from November 28 Meetup of Bay Area Tech Solidarity by postcarnival on Saturday December 03, 2016 @05:25AM (#13095189)
Re:Notes from November 28 Meetup of Bay Area Tech Solidarity by postcarnival on Friday December 02, 2016 @03:59PM (#13092236)
sorry but this is so inaccurate... this thinking is what will prevent the democrats from winning for the next decade..
Re:Notes from November 28 Meetup of Bay Area Tech Solidarity by tptacek on Friday December 02, 2016 @04:22PM (#13092402)
Do go on.
Re:Notes from November 28 Meetup of Bay Area Tech Solidarity by postcarnival on Saturday December 03, 2016 @05:06AM (#13095146)
> the middle class didn't vote Trump, they sat the whole thing out.

Wrong. Trump won the election in a landslide of the electoral college and likely a majority of the popular vote if you audit the southwestern states you abhor to filter out "undocumented people" who voted. That is also not taking into account that Trump primarily campaigned in a small handful of states due to the nature of our electoral system and likely would have won larger in a system without the electoral college. He won the rust belt states which voted Obama into office for 8 years. Attempting to strip his victory from him by making empty statements about the white working class does little to advance any sort of counter-argument to his policies or achievements.

Re:Notes from November 28 Meetup of Bay Area Tech Solidarity by tptacek on Saturday December 03, 2016 @10:38AM (#13096050)
"Landslide".

Nixon 1960: 49.55%

Gore 2000: 48.38%

Kerry 2004: 48.26%

Ford 1976: 48.01%

Romney 2012: 47.15%

Trump 2016: 46.17%

And if you see my reflection in the snow covered hills...

Re:Notes from November 28 Meetup of Bay Area Tech Solidarity by postcarnival on Saturday December 03, 2016 @01:59PM (#13096942)
"in the electoral college" aka the system that elects our President where Trump won 306 to her 232