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Re:Don’t Sign That Non-Disclosure Agreement Yet by khedoros1 on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @03:57PM (#13066227)
This advice seems to cover a corner case: If you might not be paid, don't put yourself under contractual obligation to complete the work. It opens up problems for both sides, though. I thought that proof of a signed contract would've been a given in this situation before any information would be shared and before the work would commence. It seems like a no-brainer.

The NDA itself? Well, if they aren't forcing you to sign that, I'm not so sure why you would.

Re:Don’t Sign That Non-Disclosure Agreement Yet by jaggederest on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @06:19PM (#13067061)
Your contract should definitely have provisos laying out what happens if one party doesn't fulfill the contract.

In my case, it says "intellectual rights transfer upon full payment", full stop. No pay, no right to use any work product

Re:Don’t Sign That Non-Disclosure Agreement Yet by walshemj on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @04:49PM (#13066534)
Surly not being paid means the contact is frustrated
Re:Don’t Sign That Non-Disclosure Agreement Yet by soreal on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @06:14PM (#13067021)
IANAL and this is not legal advice

But yes, generally the terms of a work-for-hire contract specify an exchange of money in return for the work

However, most NDAs are completely independent of getting paid. Thus the author's advice to sign the main contract but leave off the NDA.

Re:Don’t Sign That Non-Disclosure Agreement Yet by geoelectric on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @08:08PM (#13067644)
AFAIK, work for hire is separate from being contracted as well. Unless things have changed in the last 10-20 years you can have a valid contract to spend time and deliver software without the copyright assignment that comes with WFH.

In fact, this was common practice for doing enterprise consulting to small businesses when I was doing it at the start of my career. You could frequently reuse layouts and components between jobs since it was mostly basic 4GL+RDB, and it was typical to have no work-for-hire clause at all or a very limited one excluding reusables; or to charge a higher price if the client insisted on the clause to cover redevelopment.

I believe this was also the model that early open source companies such as Cygnus (who I also worked for) was built on. Large companies paid us to port the toolchains to their systems, but I believe the copyright was retained by Cygnus (and presumably reassigned to the FSF).

If someone had work for hire in a separate agreement, and I was otherwise inclined to take the "wait until requested" route, I'd probably wait on returning it too. I don't think I'd sit on the contract that said I'd get paid though, and I'm sure they're usually combined. I just wouldn't point out the omission if I got a contract without one.

Re:Don’t Sign That Non-Disclosure Agreement Yet by khedoros1 on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @07:39PM (#13067501)
> Thus the author's advice to sign the main contract but leave off the NDA.

That wasn't really clear to me. The wording (in the second situation in the post) made it sound like their partner signed neither the contract nor the NDA.

> “No,” my partner replied. “You sent a contract. I never signed it. It isn’t my problem that you never noticed.”

They could've been more explicit about which things were or weren't signed in the scenario that they described.