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Re:Farm Hack: worldwide community of farmers that build and ... by ourmandave on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @12:39PM (#13064564)
Your comment reminded me of the PlayPump idea that was going to supply fresh water to every village.

https://newrepublic.com/article/120178/problem-international...

Re:Farm Hack: worldwide community of farmers that build and ... by sandworm101 on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @01:26PM (#13065012)
PlayPump failed, as so many others, because children do not make good horses. Countless projects in many fields have attempted to "harness" children for energy. There was the soccer/football generator (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeb2fyHKirQ). I've even seen attempts to install power-generating floor tiles in English schools (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9AZxB55xjI). We think we can tell children what to do, use them as beasts of burden, but they are not a reliable power source.
Re:Farm Hack: worldwide community of farmers that build and ... by mikeash on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @09:17PM (#13067911)
We can make children be our beasts of burden, it's just that the techniques required tend to be frowned upon in modern civilization.
Re:Farm Hack: worldwide community of farmers that build and ... by adamsea on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @02:07PM (#13065409)
"... children ... are not a reliable power source."

Tell that to The Matrix ;)

Re:Farm Hack: worldwide community of farmers that build and ... by bashinator on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @06:31PM (#13067155)
The problem with the Matrix is even with made-up physics, they did a terrible job writing in humans as a power source into the plot. That's a fairly low bar and they failed.
Re:Farm Hack: worldwide community of farmers that build and ... by shezi on Wednesday November 30, 2016 @04:18AM (#13069438)
It is claimed that in the original script, humans were used as a computing resource instead of an energy resource, but the idea was scrapped because it was too complicated to understand. A bit like lovemenot next to here indicates.

Discussion: http://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/19817/was-executive...

Re:Farm Hack: worldwide community of farmers that build and ... by whatupdave on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @07:48PM (#13067551)
I've always thought this too but I haven't come up with a better plot device
Re:Farm Hack: worldwide community of farmers that build and ... by inimino on Wednesday November 30, 2016 @02:30AM (#13069090)
I think it's a better and more terrifying plot if you watch it as a Kafka-esque dystopia where people are imprisoned by the machines for inscrutable reasons that no-one truly knows. Morpheus's power supply theory is then just a necessary rationalization and a part of the mythology that allows the resistance to continue, while being fundamentally incorrect.

Thermodynamic impossibility is a relatively minor obstacle for a true believer.

Re:Farm Hack: worldwide community of farmers that build and ... by lovemenot on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @09:36PM (#13067995)
Me too. I always thought it would have been better if humans' processing cycles (thoughts) were utilised to supplement, validate and expand the Matrix. A sort of automatic, involuntary, unaware Mechanical Turk.
Re:Farm Hack: worldwide community of farmers that build and ... by 0xdeadbeefbabe on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @01:18PM (#13064943)
Gordon Murray recently designed a flat pack truck for the third world: "[The Ox is] The world’s first ‘flat-pack’ truck [...] designed to provide low-cost all-terrain mobility for remote parts of Africa and the developing world" [1]

I wish they would try to disrupt the first world first instead.

[1] http://www.gordonmurraydesign.com/news-articles/the-world%E2...

Edit: And a truck like this is just the thing for transporting crops or doing farm related tasks.

This statement from 1 makes me worry, but I think it was meant to instill confidence, which is also worrisome: "It is unlike any other vehicle and has no direct competitor – whether from a concept, performance or pricing point of view."

Re:Farm Hack: worldwide community of farmers that build and ... by Avshalom on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @01:50PM (#13065252)
Of course you can buy like two Nissan frontiers or like 5 pixos (retail) for the price of of one of those, and spare parts and knowledge base for those is pre existing.
Re:Farm Hack: worldwide community of farmers that build and ... by pimlottc on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @03:12PM (#13065859)
Good grief, they go on about being "flat pack" and easy to put together but offer no photos of it as shipped or during the assembly process...
Re:Farm Hack: worldwide community of farmers that build and ... by sandworm101 on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @03:42PM (#13066084)
Worse yet, they are playing tricks with the perspective. Look at the loading ramp. That's actually the rear gate unmounted and used as a ramp. But see how photographing it from that angle makes it look so much longer.

The entire thing is a deathtrap. A used toyota pickup is better in every regard.

Re:Farm Hack: worldwide community of farmers that build and ... by pimlottc on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @10:09PM (#13068184)
Yeah, I couldn't help but think there's probably a reason no normal car or truck on the road has completely flat sides.
Re:Farm Hack: worldwide community of farmers that build and ... by tgb on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @11:12PM (#13068433)
Don't the LLVs that the US postal service uses have flat sides? Similarly for UPS trucks and the containers that eighteen wheelers haul. Seems pretty normal to me.
Re:Farm Hack: worldwide community of farmers that build and ... by tgb on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @11:08PM (#13068417)
I recall seeing a timelapse video of it being constructed, here's one http://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/09/ox-flat-pack-truck/
Re:Farm Hack: worldwide community of farmers that build and ... by toomanybeersies on Wednesday November 30, 2016 @06:16AM (#13069842)
Hmm, rear coil springs on a cargo truck. Disk brakes on all corners too.

I think Gordon Murray has spent too much time designing performance cars rather than utility vehicles.

Re:Farm Hack: worldwide community of farmers that build and ... by nekopa on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @01:51PM (#13065259)
Thanks for the link, a long, but extremely eye opening read. I has made me rethink how I donate to charity from now on: I really did use only one metric- overhead percentage.

Now I will have to reevaluate this.

Re:Farm Hack: worldwide community of farmers that build and ... by bjelkeman-again on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @03:39PM (#13066061)
Good. I (sort of) work in that sector and investments and grant/donations support often goes to things that look good in the marketing, and show low overheads. Imagine investing in startup based on low overheads. I know, it isn't the same but the end result can be very poor. Some of the biggest names in the aid-charity business are truly awful at implementation. And there is little transparency, so it is very hard to learn what is truly effective.
Re:Farm Hack: worldwide community of farmers that build and ... by nekopa on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @05:58PM (#13066924)
So what would you suggest? The article gets a little hand wavy about what donors should do - eg the playpump worked at first, then sucked, and is now working well in some instances.

So should I have invested in it at first, then stopped investing as it started sucking, and then reinvested again to the new people using it?

Given that type of friction, I may give up donating altogether. Or good ideas which hit a genuine rough spot may lose all funding and die off before reaching their full potential.

What would be a realistic ratio of overhead to target? Apple-like? Say 30% should be acceptable overhead? Or a sliding scale? For example, if a charity raises $1bn does it really need $300m for overhead? Maybe there is some middle band of maximum overhead percentage, say up to $1m <=5% $1m-$1bn up to 30% and over $1bn <= 15%?

Re:Farm Hack: worldwide community of farmers that build and ... by DanBC on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @09:11PM (#13067875)
How does that charity raise $1bn? It might have legitimate costs - for example, running thrift shops.

https://www.theguardian.com/voluntary-sector-network/2016/no...

> Miller’s True and Fair Foundation argues (pdf) that charities should spend a minimum 65% of their total income on charitable activity. Any charity spending less than that, it says, “must by definition be one or more of poorly governed, unethical or appallingly mismanaged” (pdf). One in five larger charities is said by the foundation to spend less than 50%.

BUT

https://www.theguardian.com/voluntary-sector-network/2015/de...

> The foundation has simply taken a charity’s total income and contrasted it with charitable expenditure. But, the total income for many large charities includes the costs of trading (eg running a charity shop) – money which could never be spent on the end cause, but helps generate additional funds for it. Like any business, part of the charity’s income goes to cover these costs, before a profit is made which can go directly to the charity’s cause.

[...]

> For example, a charity may spend £30 running a charity shop. It makes £40 on the till, so therefore makes a £10 profit which goes to the end cause, along with the initial £10 donation.

> In doing all this, its total income is recorded as £50 – the £10 donation, plus the £40 from trading. The £20 it has to spend on its cause is 40% of this £50.

Re:Farm Hack: worldwide community of farmers that build and ... by tgb on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @11:04PM (#13068404)
Fyi, the site givewell.org is dedicated to evaluating charities and helping people make the decision of what to donate to. It's the first place I'd consult for this.
Re:Farm Hack: worldwide community of farmers that build and ... by bjelkeman-again on Thursday December 01, 2016 @02:59AM (#13077961)
I only had a chance to look at one assessment of a charity they rated that I know relatively well, and the assesment was fair (they didn't recommend donating to the charity).
Re:Farm Hack: worldwide community of farmers that build and ... by greglindahl on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @06:31PM (#13067152)
Invest in successful water charities instead? https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summar...
Re:Farm Hack: worldwide community of farmers that build and ... by bjelkeman-again on Thursday December 01, 2016 @03:03AM (#13077972)
This site gives high railings for things that it can measure and are of marginal value, and not much for things that are important, like the effectiveness of the intervention. It gives high ratings to a least one charity I thinks performs poorly.
Re:Farm Hack: worldwide community of farmers that build and ... by bjelkeman-again on Thursday December 01, 2016 @03:08AM (#13077991)
In international development there is an arbitrary (as far as I can tell) limit set on overheads. But without defining what the charity does. I see many organisations go through contortions to redefine their overheads to fit the norm, often unnecessarily, as the overheads are justified but not accepted according to the norm.

Donate to charities like you would invest money. Do your research and be sceptical about extraordinary claims and glitzy marketing not backed up by data.

Re:Farm Hack: worldwide community of farmers that build and ... by greglindahl on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @03:30PM (#13066004)
http://kickstart.org is a successful charity/startup selling human-powered water pumps.