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Re:Amazon Worker Jumps Off Company Building After E-Mail to ... by quanticle on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @02:14AM (#13061419)
Was it a formal PIP, though? In my experience there are many managers who'll do that for employees that they wish to retain, but who, for various reasons, aren't performing up to snuff. However, I've never heard of a manager bringing HR in, doing the PIP paperwork, and the employee surviving the PIP. In general, the moment HR gets involved (either in person or via formal paperwork) between you or your manager, you know you're done. As others have stated, treat the time of your PIP as a form of severance pay, do the minimum amount of work necessary to not get fired that day, and look for a job elsewhere.
Re:Amazon Worker Jumps Off Company Building After E-Mail to ... by euyyn on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @12:03PM (#13064299)
Yes, formal with the paperwork and everything.

It wasn't my manager who "brought HR in", though. Performance evaluation at my company isn't just the manager's discretion, and low performance will eventually get you a PIP.

Re:Amazon Worker Jumps Off Company Building After E-Mail to ... by quanticle on Wednesday November 30, 2016 @11:20PM (#13077145)
Okay, fair enough. In that case, it may have been the case that your manager disagreed with HR's assessment and was willing to give you a second chance. In all of the cases I've heard of, however, HR has been brought in at the manager's request, when other, more informal mechanisms have failed.
Re:Amazon Worker Jumps Off Company Building After E-Mail to ... by euyyn on Thursday December 01, 2016 @09:25PM (#13085455)
I'm not even sure a manager here can fire you by his own choice, for what it's worth. The company invests a ton in its engineers; a failed investment is a big waste. Also, it's the manager's job to make his reports more productive, so that kind of failure reflects on him too.
Re:Amazon Worker Jumps Off Company Building After E-Mail to ... by quanticle on Friday December 02, 2016 @03:36AM (#13087071)
Agreed, but if it's truly a bad fit, there comes a time when you have to stop throwing more money into a failed investment, to use your own terminology. It's up to the manager to decide if/when an engineer isn't a good fit for his or her team. Obviously, some managers are better about it than others, but hopefully senior management is looking at team turnover, and noticing that certain managers' teams tend to have higher turnover than others.