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Re:MIT Values by totalZero on Sunday November 27, 2016 @03:35PM (#13051353)
Is it too much to ask that universities allow a free market of ideas, without drawing subjective lines categorizing them as "good" and "bad"?
Re:MIT Values by CalChris on Sunday November 27, 2016 @04:05PM (#13051528)
> Is it too much to ask that universities allow a free market of ideas, without drawing subjective lines categorizing them as "good" and "bad"?

I love relativists.

Re:MIT Values by rvern on Sunday November 27, 2016 @05:07PM (#13051875)
I love dogmatists.
Re:MIT Values by whatwasmypwd on Sunday November 27, 2016 @03:37PM (#13051366)
This. I feel a university should be a place of the truth and what cannot be classified as such is up for a debate.
Re:MIT Values by jedwards1211 on Sunday November 27, 2016 @03:47PM (#13051442)
That document classified nothing as true or untrue; it simply stated some things that are not compatible with the university's mission (goals being inherently subjective) and that the professors would resist such things. I would prefer that the document acknowledge that racism, bigotry, etc. are subjective judgments, however; it spoke of them as if they were objective classifications.
Re:MIT Values by imode on Sunday November 27, 2016 @03:36PM (#13051364)
yup.

with the emphasis on them being glorified, overpriced day-care centers, it seems that they're keen on teaching morality instead of presenting options to the supposed thinking adults on their campus.

good job!

Re:MIT Values by wheelerwj on Sunday November 27, 2016 @03:44PM (#13051417)
some universities perhaps, but certainly not MIT.

and yes, morality is important to pass down from elders to youth.

Re:MIT Values by imode on Sunday November 27, 2016 @03:47PM (#13051444)
it's not a university's job to teach me morality. I'm an adult. and I'd hope that those who attend are also adults.

education is not about imposing your personal values on somebody else, and that covers morality.

edit: I like how this is being downvoted. congratulations.

Re:MIT Values by wheelerwj on Sunday November 27, 2016 @05:42PM (#13052057)
If you were actually an adult you would see the value in learning from other people's values.

You can adopt them or rally against them, that part is up to you. But being an adult means hearing out other people and understanding their values and why they are important to the community you are interacting with.

Re:MIT Values by imode on Monday November 28, 2016 @12:01AM (#13053517)
learning from other people's values, yes.

but a university is not a place to push morality. it's a place of education and ideas, and as a university, you can't stand by some values and curse others, because you're a campus of free thought and exchange.

the moment that you express some preference towards some ideas and start labeling others as bad or horrible, you push your own morality.

stop making it seem like I'm arguing for anything more than that.

Re:MIT Values by wheelerwj on Monday November 28, 2016 @05:11AM (#13054505)
what are you talking about? do you actually have a problem with faculty from one of the most renown universities advocating for equal and discrimination free education?