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Re:Small Businesses Lament There Are Too Few Mexicans in U.S by raverbashing on Saturday November 26, 2016 @08:38AM (#13043433)
University is not for everybody (as the massive debt crisis shows)

There's (much less) illegal immigration to Canada, but lower wage positions are filled with TFW visas

Now, the lower-tier jobs are being replaced with automation. In several Nordic countries (and even in Canada), there's fewer people doing the "cashier" role, they scan or get you the products, but you pay to a machine (either with cash or card)

Re:Small Businesses Lament There Are Too Few Mexicans in U.S by JoBrad on Saturday November 26, 2016 @09:12AM (#13043549)
I agree that not everyone wants a liberal arts degree, but the notion that secondary education isn't for everyone strikes me as a little elitist, even if the people making that claim may not have a secondary degree. We all benefit when the average person has a better education. High school may suffice for the next 50-100 years or so, but the lower bar will continue to rise. Why would we convince ourselves into allowing an entire generation to fall behind because they didn't pursue college?
Re:Small Businesses Lament There Are Too Few Mexicans in U.S by SomeStupidPoint on Saturday November 26, 2016 @10:11AM (#13043881)
Tertiary education. (Or post-secondary.)

College is tertiary, high school is secondary, grade school is primary.

We already have secondary education mandated, obviously. (And it makes your case stronger if you use the right term!)

Re:Small Businesses Lament There Are Too Few Mexicans in U.S by JoBrad on Saturday November 26, 2016 @07:50PM (#13047013)
Haha! Well, hopefully people see your comment. I can't edit it, now, unfortunately.

Thanks for noting it, though. Life will keep you humble, always. :)

Re:Small Businesses Lament There Are Too Few Mexicans in U.S by sethammons on Saturday November 26, 2016 @09:51AM (#13043751)
We have a generation starting to fall behind _beacause_ of college. They begin a cycle of debt they can't escape.
Re:Small Businesses Lament There Are Too Few Mexicans in U.S by mozumder on Saturday November 26, 2016 @12:30PM (#13044773)
That's not because of college. That's because of debt.

Learn to separate debt from college.

Re:Small Businesses Lament There Are Too Few Mexicans in U.S by sethammons on Saturday November 26, 2016 @02:05PM (#13045321)
Fair point. Unfortunately, in the US, the two are heavily linked.
Re:Small Businesses Lament There Are Too Few Mexicans in U.S by JoBrad on Saturday November 26, 2016 @07:47PM (#13046997)
Not always. I have several friends whose parents were able to pay for their college. Not well known colleges, but still, that has been a massive advantage for them.
Re:Small Businesses Lament There Are Too Few Mexicans in U.S by sethammons on Sunday November 27, 2016 @06:20PM (#13052240)
Sure. I had a full ride scholarship. Some friends had family cover theirs. Some can manage to work and put themselves though college. But a great many people don't have those options or can't manage them. My kids will have to work their way through college. My eldest has already started such. Hopefully, she will avoid massive debt if she can follow some advice, start with a JC, and continue working while she progresses though her schooling.
Re:Small Businesses Lament There Are Too Few Mexicans in U.S by mozumder on Saturday November 26, 2016 @08:52AM (#13043479)
> University is not for everybody (as the massive debt crisis shows)

University is for everybody. Massive debt is for nobody.

Notice how I can separate those two.

Re:Small Businesses Lament There Are Too Few Mexicans in U.S by frgtpsswrdlame on Saturday November 26, 2016 @09:08AM (#13043530)
Even when separating them I'm not sure why you think university is for everybody.
Re:Small Businesses Lament There Are Too Few Mexicans in U.S by rfrey on Saturday November 26, 2016 @09:45AM (#13043718)
I think you're using different meanings of the phrase... "well suited to everyone's interests" vs. "available to everyone".
Re:Small Businesses Lament There Are Too Few Mexicans in U.S by jessaustin on Saturday November 26, 2016 @09:36AM (#13043648)
Apparently this is the quality of rhetorical logic that's taught at university?
Re:Small Businesses Lament There Are Too Few Mexicans in U.S by muninn_ on Saturday November 26, 2016 @09:46AM (#13043722)
It's for everybody, but it may not be necessary for everybody.
Re:Small Businesses Lament There Are Too Few Mexicans in U.S by electricEmu on Saturday November 26, 2016 @12:45PM (#13044884)
This is my own personal experience, but not everyone is interested in, or excellent at, education. It's not the system; it's personality.

Education shouldn't be forced on anyone either. The entire college debt bubble has been based on this thought that a barista needs a college degree.

Re:Small Businesses Lament There Are Too Few Mexicans in U.S by danbruc on Saturday November 26, 2016 @09:29AM (#13043612)
We shouldn't give low-skilled labor jobs to Americans, since that's economically inefficient.

What a job pays should not be defined by the required skills, at least not exclusively, it should be paid by the amount of work one does. And what a job pays is actually not defined by the required skills, it is defined by the availability and willingness of workers to do those jobs at certain wage levels, it just happens that increasing skill level and decreasing availability of workers are the same direction.

Note that I am not saying that a lazy worker taking ten times as long to produce some good as his coworkers should receive the same wage, nor I am saying you should not be compensate for spending additional years at an university to acquire higher skills. But after one accounted for those factors, it should really not make a huge difference whether you are developing software or whether you are picking oranges.

Re:Small Businesses Lament There Are Too Few Mexicans in U.S by rdtsc on Saturday November 26, 2016 @08:44AM (#13043456)
Should they be legal or illegal migrants?
Re:Small Businesses Lament There Are Too Few Mexicans in U.S by Amezarak on Saturday November 26, 2016 @09:33AM (#13043631)
> Kids shouldn't be working minimum wage jobs at all. They should be in school, instead.

I did both, as did most people I know, and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect kids to continue to do that.