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Re:Satellites Confirm Sinking of San Francisco's Millennium ... by xapata on Friday November 25, 2016 @11:45PM (#13041769)
Many financial planners assume 4% or even 5% annual returns above inflation. Heck, I forget which state it was, but I remember reading about some boneheaded assumption of 8% annually written into the laws for its pension fund.

I agree that 4% is optimistic.

Re:Satellites Confirm Sinking of San Francisco's Millennium ... by shostack on Saturday November 26, 2016 @11:33PM (#13047728)
Can you clarify on why you think 4% is optimistic, but then say 4-5% appears to be a reasonable 30 year expectation?

I guess with these things I always think of past performance not being a guarantee of future performance, but on the flip side I'd like to be able to live off my investments when I retire, so making some sort of informed assumptions is probably better than not.

Re:Satellites Confirm Sinking of San Francisco's Millennium ... by xapata on Sunday November 27, 2016 @05:17AM (#13048550)
The expected return of a year is not independent of the year before. Rudimentary models that many financial advisors use don't account for that. Even the more sophisticated folks don't account for it enough as I think is appropriate. They think they've observed dozens of years and the evidence says it's nearly impossible for the market to go down (as a whole) over a ten-year period. I think they've observed only a handful of decades and therefore should have very low certainty.

I'm still heavily invested in the stock market. I just think you should be very cautious in your assumption of how much money you need to live comfortably on interest/dividends in perpetuity.

Re:Satellites Confirm Sinking of San Francisco's Millennium ... by shostack on Saturday November 26, 2016 @08:39AM (#13043436)
Why is that do you think? If you pay them a fee and they aren't pushing investment products you'd think they'd be more realistic...
Re:Satellites Confirm Sinking of San Francisco's Millennium ... by xapata on Saturday November 26, 2016 @10:12AM (#13043892)
Historically, 4 or 5% appears to be a reasonable expectation over a 30-year timeframe after 1940 if you consider each year as an independent random variable and expect that the future will look mostly like the past.